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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts lost world

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Beckley and Tim Schwartz look at all

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those planets stars I'm doing a bit of

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time traveling and it's spooky out here

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in this parallel universe full of weird

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coincidences

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how does it how's that well it's one

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damn synchronicity after another I was

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just talking to my assistant Carol about

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doing some artwork for a little booklet

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my friend Wally El Mark David Bowie's

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personal White Witch she wrote it in

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1972 I couldn't find my copy I'd been

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planning to do that for a reprint for a

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while but I came across one on ebay so I

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sent for it and I got that in the mail

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and that I didn't realize that I oh

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there goes another planet and here comes

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a comment I better move over this way

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well it's kind of strange but I didn't

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realize that I had written the

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introduction to this little booklet oh

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that's that's kind of strange

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is there more than that well kind of you

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know how I'm always being under siege by

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some synchronously or another after

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putting this little booklet aside I

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started reading my email and there was

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an email from a Wally now I've never

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received an email from a Wally before of

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course it wasn't my friend Wally because

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as she's deceased

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exempt if you believe some of the other

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guests that have been on and you refer

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to the book that we did on the matrix

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control system of philip k dick we know

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that sometimes the deceased have of

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very symbolic ways of getting in in

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touch with us but I had never received

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an email from Wally before and here it

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was I mean within two minutes after I

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put the booklet aside that I'm going to

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reprint so what the heck does that all

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mean I don't know maybe she's showing

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her approval to reissue the book that's

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what I would think well there you go

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then that and you know that also ties in

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with our show tonight well why don't I

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get back over there oh all right well

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that was just say an exploding star so I

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see Casey oh our radio with studio and

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I'm going to pull up in land right on

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the roof all right well you know Tim

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we've got two fantastic guests tonight

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we have with us we have dr. Eric Ward oh

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and Larry Flaxman now Eric is the author

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of the new book time loops precognition

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Retro causation and the unconscious he

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has a PhD in anthropology from Emory

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University and works as a science writer

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and editor in Washington DC now in his

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spare time he writes about

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science-fiction consciousness and the

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paranormal at his popular blog the

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nightshirt and I should point out that

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time loops is his first book and I tell

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you for a first book it's a it's a

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fantastic book I highly recommend it now

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also with us tonight is Larry Flaxman

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now Larry is the best-selling author and

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researcher and is on a mission to inform

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empower and entertain those fascinated

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by the paranormal for newly nearly two

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decades Flaxman has been actively

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involved in paranormal research and

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hands-on field investigation with a

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strong emphasis on attempting to apply

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the scientific method method to

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unexplained phenomena Flaxman is

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redefining the field of consciousness

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via the use of real-time

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EEG analysis of the experiencer is the

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president and senior researcher of the

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Arkansas paranormal and anomalous

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studies team which has become one of the

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nation's most respected paranormal

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research organizations now Larry is the

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author of such books as 11:11 the time

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crop phenomena the meaning behind

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mysterious science sequences and

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synchronicities the grid exploring the

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hidden infrastructure of reality viral

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mythology how the truth of the Ancients

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was encoded and passed down through

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legend art and architecture and this

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book is from the future which was

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co-written with Marie de Jones so now

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this is the first time that Eric and

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Larry have been on exploring the bazaar

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so I want our audience out there to give

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them a big hand and welcome gentlemen to

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our program it's great thank you thank

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you for having me thank you very much

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greetings you guys good to be on with

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the fellow coincidence sirs I don't know

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if that's an exact word but yeah well

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you bet I've coined a quite a few words

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on this show over the the last a couple

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of years those for sure

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Hey but clue me in Larry now I I just

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filled a book a four hundred and fifty

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page book half of it were was my

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synchronicities and I'm not talking

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about waking up at night and saying you

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know like a certain time on the clock or

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thinking of somebody and calling on the

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you know they call on the phone a couple

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of days later I'm talking about hardcore

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synchronicities and it's your to guess

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tonight so I don't want to go into my

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synchronicities but why do they pick on

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me I don't think they're necessarily

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picking on you I think that the this

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chronicity is that you're experiencing

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or obviously some type of internal

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subconscious wake-up call so you know

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everyone has yeah yeah but they happen

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so often and they're so off to wall and

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and the bizarre the

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you know I mean I I know if a Freud that

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they talked a little bit about

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synchronicities and stuff but this is

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way beyond that I mean this is like a

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have you have you checked yourself for

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any weird implant and I don't think I

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I've got enough going on here that's

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about the only thing I can imagine I I'm

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visiting the doctor like once a week

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that's the next one uh pardon me sir who

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takes care of your implants

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you know what that got 11 doctors I

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don't know I gotta get another one that

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they don't even have working there I

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don't think yeah yeah no I I am where

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would the implants be from that is

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definitely not my area of expertise I

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really can't answer that one but you

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know it's interesting for if you're

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really truly having that many

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synchronistic experiences that you just

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absolutely can't explain yeah you know I

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would say that personally I think that

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that is telling you your body is

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screaming at you to pay attention to

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something it's something probably

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subconscious something you haven't

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thought about whether it's something

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financial personal medical you know

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there's probably some people that you

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are us like walls them all of them it's

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probably something that you are already

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aware of but it's your body trying to

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get your attention into it's your

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subconscious trying to bubble that

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information to the forefront so you pay

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attention to whatever it is you know in

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daily life most people get kind of

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caught up in the moment and they kind of

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don't really see the forest through the

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trees and those synchronistic

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experiences are often that that kind of

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under the radar way of subconsciously

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trying to break through and make you

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aware of something that you need to be

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aware of well so you don't think that

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there's any intelligence behind them you

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know a Charles Ford who I'm sure you've

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heard of he he thought that we were like

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you know pieces on a chessboard and

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somebody was controlling them with new

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movements of the chess pieces right kind

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of like John keels theories about the

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multi-universe of parallel universe

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and all I don't know I mean it just

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seems that some of these things seem to

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be more than just the random that they

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seem to be a place that before us well

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like this one here with from my my

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friend Molly she's been deceased since

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1972 but I think about it from time to

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time and then coming across this book

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like that I wanted to reprint for years

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and then all of a sudden I get an email

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now from a Wally and I've never gotten

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an email for my Wally know it's a junk

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email but we had the same thing happened

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before on the on the on the show here we

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had a a special about my friend Vivian

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st. John and that day I printed out an

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email the doctor that I was going to see

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in the hospital it says here's a message

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from Vivian I didn't know what her first

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name was you know I mean these things

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just pile I like I said pile up but

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anyway how did what what did you see in

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your own personal life that led you to

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believe that the eleven eleven or some

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of these things had some deep meaning

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well that's a really interesting

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question so let me give you a little bit

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of backstory about how kind of the book

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came about to kind of give you the

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understanding of personal experiences

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that I've had so we were approached

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marina were actually approached by our

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publisher to write a book about time

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prompt phenomenas and number

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synchronicity so obviously had heard of

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number synchronicities I've kind of

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experienced that kind of on and off

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throughout my life but that that idea of

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people having these experiences

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repetitively and people having numbers

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that seemed to follow them throughout

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their life that was a holy holy new

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concept to me in fact Marie and I both

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thought that we were going to have

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extreme difficulty finding content

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matter for the book because neither one

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of us had ever heard of the phenomena

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nor had either one of us ever really

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experienced it but now check this out so

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we agreed to do the book because it was

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a decent amount of money so we're not

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going to turn it down right so we

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started doing a little bit of research

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and things

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art happening what does that mean well

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here's a perfect example so I've said

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just a minute ago that those experiences

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I never had those experiences right well

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obviously I did all of us probably do at

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some point you just don't really pay

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attention here's a great way to kind of

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exemplify that you decide that you want

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to buy a brand new car right you've had

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your mind on a purple Humvee for your

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entire life for whatever reason you want

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a purple Humvee you think it's a unique

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vehicle it's it's it's it's extremely

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large it's got you know all kinds of

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super nice features to it so you save up

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your money for that purple Humvee you go

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down to the dealership you order that

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purple Humvee they give you a call in

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two weeks and you come back in two weeks

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pick up your purple Humvee as you're

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filling out the paperwork and obviously

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signing away your life the dealership

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hands you the keys you jump in your

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Humvee for the very first time you're

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super super excited you start the

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vehicle you pull out of the dealer

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parking lot and of course it gets awful

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gas mileage so the very first thing you

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have to do is stop at the gas station

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but as you're on the way to the gas

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station you start noticing purple

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Humvees now this was a vehicle that you

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knew you were certain was a unique

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vehicle you've never seen a purple

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company one of the reasons why you

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wanted it you knew that it was a rare

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vehicle that not everyone had the minute

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that you had reason to start noticing

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the purple Humvee your brain

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instantaneously started turning on the

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ability for you to notice that that kind

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of clear out the white noise and focus

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in on what was always there in front of

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you those purple Humvees were not as

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rare as you thought they were they were

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always around you you just never really

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had the need to pay attention and to

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notice it then when you purchased your

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purple Humvee your brain switches into a

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different mode and you start realizing

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that there are actually all around you

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so very similar to me that's

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the same experience that kind of mirrors

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for me when we've decided to write the

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book and accepted the proposal to write

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the book I started having experiences

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like that I would start to notice things

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that we're always there that always were

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in front of me that always were

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certainly kind of external and and

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things that I should have seen but kind

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of glanced over and again didn't really

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see the forest through the trees and I

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started noticing those things so I

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didn't have a need to before I started

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writing the book but then started

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writing the book and oh my gosh I'm

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having these experiences how do I

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explain it so that is what I think is

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the basis of number synchronicities and

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and folks that are happening those

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experiences that that those things are

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always there you just don't have a need

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really to see them until something

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happens well now do you okay there are

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some people though I mean who have had

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experiences along this line like philip

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k dick that i that i you know i wrote

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about he was the course very well known

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science fiction writer we've had as one

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of his wives on the show tessa dick

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number of times and there are some

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people who believe that at least some of

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these synchronicities are under

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intelligent control I don't know if

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you're familiar with a researcher by the

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name of John see Lily no okay well jug

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see Lily was a wrote a book called the I

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think this called the eye in the cyclone

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and he was the the first individual who

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claimed under the influence of the drug

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ketamine that he had actually

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communicated with dolphins and

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extraterrestrials well he was also had a

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wide and pretty wild variety of

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synchronicities and he came to a

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conclusion that there was actually a

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synchronicity like a review board or

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control board nod I guess of the etheric

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somewhere I mean that are which brings

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us to the you know

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question or are is everything before us

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like predestined you know or is somebody

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actually out there kind of nudging us in

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a certain direction after having all

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these experiences I mean I tend to think

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that you know I don't believe in the

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Christian concept of God but there's got

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to be some external force maybe that was

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left here you know a million years ago

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by the ancient astronauts or something

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like a giant computer or something is

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hidden in a cave John keel talked about

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the eighth tower he had them these

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towers I think in eight different places

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around the the planet they were sending

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out signals I don't know it's just you

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know it's a it's just a concept so

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alright you started having these

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experiences did you co-author I know

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I've interviewed there actually I think

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the interview is in the book she started

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having some of these experience as well

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right yeah absolutely

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yeah again until we both had a need to

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we didn't really have those experiences

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and then once we kind of had the the

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need or the necessity to is when we

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started having them yeah well now you've

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also written about the time travel is

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that not the the concept of your people

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yeah no that's not our most recent book

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yeah we've written a lot actually that's

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gosh we've written ten ten books

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together but no time that our time

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travel book was I think our fourth fit

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book yeah I think we've discussed it on

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the on the air here but is there yeah

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you know some okay well time travel are

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we able to do it I mean can we

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accomplish men or is it just they

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accomplished it or is it just the

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far-flung science fiction fantasy so I

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think that that's a loaded question you

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know I think we do time travel already

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every day every single one of us in fact

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any progression into the to the future

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we measure in seconds right so as we

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sitting as we're sitting here talking we

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are in effect traveling into the future

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simply by the progression of time but

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even beyond that I mean if you look at

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the kind of a whole

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concept of time itself and you know my

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beliefs very strongly is that time is

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not quite the linear construct that we

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believe it to be so when you say are we

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already doing it can we time travel is

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it possible then you that brings up a

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whole plethora of logistical questions

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so does that mean are we physically

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time-traveling forward or backward in

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time well if you think that time really

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doesn't have a stored or backward well

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time is really it doesn't have a forward

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or backward component in nature time is

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right now so man developed the concept

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of time as a way to track the

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progression of events so in nature there

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really is no such thing but it's a

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man-made construction we followed it for

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thousands of years so the idea of being

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able to travel in time is really again

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kind of a man-made construct as well but

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when you start thinking about the

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traditional idea of time travel being

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able to go forward into the future to

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see things that have not happened yet or

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being able to travel to the past to

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witness events and historical things

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that have occurred

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now you're talking at a wholly different

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area so do I think we're able to

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physically time travel into the past no

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I don't think that we are quite there

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technologically now there's a variety of

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possible hypotheses as far as how we

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could do it involving black holes

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involving its you know different

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different ideas around acceleration of

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speed there's a variety of different

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ways that we think theoretically it can

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be done but we don't have the technology

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today really to to achieve that now with

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that being said again I do think that

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we're time traveling today when you go

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to sleep at night and you have a dream

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you don't really have a time envelope it

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within that dream right so during that

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dream state you have the ability to go

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anywhere

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basically within the time-space

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continuum that you really want to

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without having any physical limitations

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on your body so in fact there are many

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people that talk about being able to

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astral travel both forward and backward

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in time so I think it's happening but I

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don't know that it's quite to the level

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of scientific sophistication that we

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would hope it to be yet

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how about misplaced artifacts have you

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done any study on that you know where

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they have found a human footprints and

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rocks right next to Hina sores and and

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other things well you know weird things

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that this play sitting or drugs yeah

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yeah how do you add for though that's

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something that that is absolutely

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fascinating to me and that's you know

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there's a lot of ideas behind that you

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know are we our future man able to

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somehow time travel and and we're able

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to to leave these artifacts for us

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either accidentally or purposely for us

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to discover you know I don't know I mean

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I I really don't I would like to think

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that at some point in the future we

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would have the technology to physically

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time-travel and be able to traverse the

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timeline but you know that also brings

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up a whole other gamut of different

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questions that probably one has to deal

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with as far as moral implications of

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doing that as well in you know if 500

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years in the future if we have the

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ability to basically transcend time and

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space and go whenever wherever we want

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should we simply be having it the

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ability to do it should we actually do

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that what if you know what if that the

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entire idea of the grandfather paradox

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and other protection mechanisms that we

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believe are in place what if those

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things really are not quite as as

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strengthened as we think and what if it

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really is possible to go back in time

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and alter the outcome you know I there's

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a lot of questions around that and I

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don't pretend to have all the answers to

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and by any means at all you know I think

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there is

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obviously those moral implications are

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things that should be outside of science

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to determine I think science has their

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goal and there there needs to but the

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moral piece of that I think is a much

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greater question than being able to do

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it well I think we are up on a break to

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him are we not yeah that's right we've

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got about 30 seconds before we have to

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go to our first break of the evening so

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when when we come back we will bring

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Eric well or go into the conversation

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and we'll be talking about his book time

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loops so stay tuned and we will be right

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back in just a few minutes or exploring

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

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beckylyn Anton Swartz and welcome back

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to exploring the bazaar our guests

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tonight are Larry Fleck spin' and eric

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worre go now Eric is the author of the

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new book time loops precognition retro

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causation and the unconscious Eric I've

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really enjoyed your book you know a lot

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of the ideas and and concepts in it you

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know I've I've seen bandied around at

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various places for you know for quite a

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while but I think you're really one of

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the first to bring it all together and

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really just to just flesh it out so

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what's the genesis of this book I mean

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what what happened that that you've

532
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decided that you were gonna write this

533
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yeah well it's a kind of interesting

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story it's it's kind of a roundabout

535
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journey I've had the last I guess decade

536
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it actually began oddly enough with a

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couple UFO sightings yeah yeah I I saw a

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couple you know I'd always you know I

539
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never you know since I became you know

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when I was a kid you know that was the

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era of you know insert jaws and that

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sort of stuff so I was you know I was

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interested in that sort of thing but

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then I kind of grew up and grew out of

545
00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:29,650
that as an adult and and sort of became

546
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,140
you know I'm basically a skeptic about

547
00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:34,720
things like you know the skeptic about

548
00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:38,380
the paranormal not like you know

549
00:25:43,980 --> 00:25:39,820
rejecting it but just not really

550
00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:43,990
thinking about it that much and anyway

551
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,340
but I saw a couple UFOs in 2009 both

552
00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:50,080
within like a month of each other and

553
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:52,060
they weren't anything spectacular they

554
00:25:56,670 --> 00:25:54,130
were you know you know just lights in

555
00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:56,680
the sky but but it got me reading you

556
00:25:59,490 --> 00:25:58,300
know it got me sorted into the

557
00:26:03,869 --> 00:25:59,500
literature on you have

558
00:26:05,580 --> 00:26:03,879
and if you know delve deeply at all as

559
00:26:07,409 --> 00:26:05,590
the topic you realize well first of all

560
00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:07,419
it's there's a lot of you know actually

561
00:26:11,399 --> 00:26:09,100
really serious people doing really

562
00:26:15,539 --> 00:26:11,409
serious research but you know you wind

563
00:26:18,269 --> 00:26:15,549
up reading Jacque Valais who of course

564
00:26:21,389 --> 00:26:18,279
he sort of bridged you know his study of

565
00:26:23,340 --> 00:26:21,399
UFOs with his he was also involved in

566
00:26:26,940 --> 00:26:23,350
the really interesting ESP research

567
00:26:30,899 --> 00:26:26,950
going on in the 1970s in Palo Alto at

568
00:26:34,350 --> 00:26:30,909
the SSRI where he was he was working and

569
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:34,360
he sort of you know saw the psychic

570
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:36,580
dimensions of this and I had you know I

571
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,769
had been particularly I guess skeptical

572
00:26:44,249 --> 00:26:42,159
of ESP and psychic phenomenon but you

573
00:26:46,830 --> 00:26:44,259
know his writings really made me realize

574
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:46,840
hey there's something there and that and

575
00:26:51,419 --> 00:26:48,700
that kind of took me down the rabbit

576
00:26:53,009 --> 00:26:51,429
hole I want up kind of leaving I was

577
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:53,019
sort of writing about UFOs on my blog

578
00:26:56,460 --> 00:26:54,610
and stuff but I wanted up kind of

579
00:26:59,039 --> 00:26:56,470
leaving that behind and really pursuing

580
00:27:00,389 --> 00:26:59,049
the the ESP and psychic phenomena stuff

581
00:27:02,999 --> 00:27:00,399
because that that seemed just really

582
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:03,009
more more interesting and more bizarre

583
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:06,669
to me and so I want up reading the

584
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:08,590
literature on precognition and getting

585
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:09,820
very interested in precognition

586
00:27:14,999 --> 00:27:13,330
particularly and and so I've been

587
00:27:17,549 --> 00:27:15,009
writing about it on my blog for several

588
00:27:18,869 --> 00:27:17,559
years now and and people keep you know

589
00:27:20,580 --> 00:27:18,879
readers keep telling me yeah you need to

590
00:27:23,249 --> 00:27:20,590
like sort of gather this all together

591
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:23,259
and into a book and so and so that's

592
00:27:31,860 --> 00:27:26,769
what I did so yeah so it's a weird kind

593
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:31,870
of crooked story there but you know I

594
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:33,940
agree with a lot of things that Larry

595
00:27:39,899 --> 00:27:37,120
was saying in the last segment because

596
00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:39,909
you know he pointed out that you know

597
00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:41,620
these things are happening all the time

598
00:27:45,749 --> 00:27:44,409
and we just don't notice it and there's

599
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:45,759
lots of really interesting reasons why

600
00:27:52,919 --> 00:27:48,850
we don't notice it and that and my book

601
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:52,929
really is as much about the the taboos

602
00:28:00,440 --> 00:27:57,360
that sort of prevent us from seeing

603
00:28:02,909 --> 00:28:00,450
these phenomena in our lives

604
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,919
and that kind of prevent us from

605
00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:05,200
thinking critically and thinking

606
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:08,980
carefully about them and you know like I

607
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:11,320
noticed as I became I think pretty much

608
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,220
anyone who go

609
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:14,830
who becomes interested in ESP starts

610
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:17,620
noticing you know ESP phenomena and

611
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:19,090
there are lives you know and they start

612
00:28:24,299 --> 00:28:20,340
noticing you know synchronicities and

613
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:24,309
and precognitive dreams and and so forth

614
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:26,110
and in my case you know I'd always been

615
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:27,909
interested in dreams I'd always in fact

616
00:28:34,019 --> 00:28:30,490
recorded my dreams as much as I whatever

617
00:28:36,690 --> 00:28:34,029
I had the time to but never really

618
00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:36,700
noticed you know dream precognition

619
00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:39,580
until you know I started delving into

620
00:28:43,769 --> 00:28:42,039
the literature and then I started you

621
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:43,779
know that sort of just gets you to kind

622
00:28:48,210 --> 00:28:46,240
of pay attention to you know the

623
00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:48,220
connections between your dreams and then

624
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,990
subsequent events in your life and if

625
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,279
you're not noticing if you're not paying

626
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:53,200
attention to things happening in your

627
00:28:56,909 --> 00:28:54,820
life you're not going to notice this

628
00:28:57,899 --> 00:28:56,919
stuff happening but what I did that I

629
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,909
started noticing god I'm having

630
00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:00,399
precognitive dreams all the time and I

631
00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:03,190
think everybody everyone is and you know

632
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:06,460
like so yeah this is this stuff is

633
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:07,960
happening all the time and we just have

634
00:29:15,419 --> 00:29:12,399
these blinders to it when I would when

635
00:29:17,820 --> 00:29:15,429
you said taboos I mean are you talking

636
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:17,830
about like a societal taboos or just you

637
00:29:22,529 --> 00:29:21,250
know personal taboos that you know this

638
00:29:24,899 --> 00:29:22,539
is just too weird I'm not gonna think

639
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:24,909
about it type of thing both both there

640
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:29,049
are there are lots of societal taboos

641
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:34,809
lots of cultural taboos among them are

642
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:38,820
the we we live in a very individualistic

643
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:42,220
freedom-loving society obviously you

644
00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:46,210
know and and for people in in our

645
00:29:53,730 --> 00:29:50,460
society precognition really brings up

646
00:29:55,889 --> 00:29:53,740
thorny issues of free will because

647
00:29:58,019 --> 00:29:55,899
inevitably you think of well if this

648
00:30:00,060 --> 00:29:58,029
dream came from the future do I have the

649
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,070
freedom to change that future bottle

650
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:02,399
blot it leads to all these these these

651
00:30:07,529 --> 00:30:05,289
you know the grandfather paradox that

652
00:30:10,139 --> 00:30:07,539
you know learning that they guys

653
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:10,149
mentioned earlier and and stuff so

654
00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:13,210
there's that I mean we don't like really

655
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:15,220
we don't like to think about a future

656
00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:20,169
that already exists that could then you

657
00:30:24,749 --> 00:30:22,539
know retro actively influence us in the

658
00:30:26,139 --> 00:30:24,759
present because that implies that maybe

659
00:30:27,999 --> 00:30:26,149
we don't really have

660
00:30:30,009 --> 00:30:28,009
the freedom to change our fate but

661
00:30:32,229 --> 00:30:30,019
there's also a lot of so that's a

662
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:32,239
cultural kind of taboo mm-hmm but there

663
00:30:37,089 --> 00:30:34,159
are a lot of personal ones too and I've

664
00:30:39,609 --> 00:30:37,099
discovered these I deal with these every

665
00:30:42,059 --> 00:30:39,619
day like I you start getting interested

666
00:30:44,199 --> 00:30:42,069
in precognitive like dreaming or or

667
00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:44,209
precognitive remote viewing or whatever

668
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:45,769
you start practicing this stuff and

669
00:30:49,329 --> 00:30:47,809
you're very eager for it to work but

670
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,339
then you immediately start worrying

671
00:30:54,969 --> 00:30:51,679
about about you know premonitions of

672
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:54,979
death and illness and you start you know

673
00:30:58,629 --> 00:30:57,049
you get really paranoid I mean it can

674
00:31:02,379 --> 00:30:58,639
really you know it can it can kind of

675
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:02,389
make you a little crazy to to to really

676
00:31:06,069 --> 00:31:04,609
take this stuff seriously because then

677
00:31:07,899 --> 00:31:06,079
you start worrying oh my god you know

678
00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:07,909
you have this dream did it you know and

679
00:31:11,139 --> 00:31:09,409
it seemed kind of ominous you know does

680
00:31:12,459 --> 00:31:11,149
that mean you know something terrible is

681
00:31:14,859 --> 00:31:12,469
gonna happen to me or something terrible

682
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:14,869
is gonna happen to my child or my wife

683
00:31:20,769 --> 00:31:17,929
you know you start really kind of

684
00:31:26,229 --> 00:31:20,779
brooding about these about questions of

685
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:26,239
fate and and and so forth so like again

686
00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:28,129
that so my book is really as much about

687
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:29,899
you know the first part is sort of the

688
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:32,809
obligatory you know let's tell some you

689
00:31:37,389 --> 00:31:35,089
know famous instances of this and then

690
00:31:39,969 --> 00:31:37,399
let's summarize the the laboratory

691
00:31:41,229 --> 00:31:39,979
research that that supports it but the

692
00:31:43,389 --> 00:31:41,239
rest of the book is really more about

693
00:31:45,699 --> 00:31:43,399
kind of taboos that kind of prevent us

694
00:31:47,649 --> 00:31:45,709
from thinking clearly about it and that

695
00:31:49,809 --> 00:31:47,659
kind of I think send us off in wrong

696
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:49,819
directions I think sometimes well you

697
00:31:59,349 --> 00:31:51,529
know if you do that oh I'm sorry Glen

698
00:32:01,119 --> 00:31:59,359
Larry did you have a question no okay I

699
00:32:02,619 --> 00:32:01,129
thought I heard somebody else start to

700
00:32:07,479 --> 00:32:02,629
ask a question in the background okay

701
00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:07,489
well okay I when you look and and at

702
00:32:13,739 --> 00:32:10,639
least statistically I suppose with a lot

703
00:32:18,089 --> 00:32:13,749
of these cases of when people report

704
00:32:23,339 --> 00:32:18,099
cognition it seems like the majority

705
00:32:26,499 --> 00:32:23,349
involves fairly nasty stuff deaths

706
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:26,509
disasters things like that is there

707
00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:31,089
something about the the strong emotions

708
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:37,570
that seems to I don't know carry carry

709
00:32:43,510 --> 00:32:39,830
more power you know whatever the word

710
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:43,520
seems to I don't know maybe just make

711
00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:46,460
people were just more aware rather than

712
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:49,520
you know having a precognitive dream

713
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:51,080
that you were you know out picking

714
00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:52,430
flowers the next day or something

715
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:54,920
exactly exactly yeah you're not gonna

716
00:33:00,460 --> 00:32:57,710
have a precognitive dream about you know

717
00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:00,470
just a pleasant uneventful Sunday dinner

718
00:33:04,780 --> 00:33:02,420
you know you're gonna have a

719
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:04,790
precognitive dream often the ones that

720
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:08,960
kind of rise to our attention tend to be

721
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:11,360
those that are about death and disaster

722
00:33:18,790 --> 00:33:15,380
but partly that's an effect of well you

723
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:18,800
know what what you know what experiences

724
00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:21,410
really move a person to the point where

725
00:33:24,730 --> 00:33:23,270
they will write them down or share them

726
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,740
with others

727
00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:27,440
I don't think that all precognition is

728
00:33:34,030 --> 00:33:29,150
focused on death and disaster but it is

729
00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:34,040
focused on on survival in the kind of

730
00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:37,720
broader sense it's focused on on

731
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:42,620
surviving close calls or surviving

732
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:44,450
yeah deaths and disasters but those

733
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:45,980
deaths and disasters may happen to other

734
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:47,930
people they may happen in the news you

735
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:49,940
know it's like you know we have I I

736
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:51,650
noticed that I have precognitive dreams

737
00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:54,650
about unsettling news stories or

738
00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:56,420
interesting news stories that provoke

739
00:34:01,690 --> 00:34:00,470
some sort of existential thought in me

740
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:01,700
and that's one of the one of the

741
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:02,810
arguments I make in the book is that

742
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:04,670
we're not we don't Precog NIH's events

743
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:06,710
we don't Precog NIH's things in the

744
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:09,950
future we Precog eyes our own future

745
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:17,090
thoughts and feelings and and this it's

746
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:21,830
a that's a kind of a new twist that that

747
00:34:27,220 --> 00:34:23,750
in the sort of literature on

748
00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:27,230
precognition that I think is really

749
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:28,940
important and it kind of brings it down

750
00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:30,800
from the level of kind of the

751
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:34,220
supernatural or whatever - III think

752
00:34:39,129 --> 00:34:37,070
there's there's gonna be a a physical

753
00:34:43,629 --> 00:34:39,139
explanation for this I think in decades

754
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:43,639
to come involving quantum processes in

755
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:45,980
the brain I think that the brain is

756
00:34:51,309 --> 00:34:48,359
really Jake

757
00:34:55,339 --> 00:34:51,319
cases though like the JFK assassination

758
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:55,349
where it seems that there were any

759
00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:57,930
number of people who saw you know

760
00:35:02,930 --> 00:34:59,910
something happening in in Dallas there

761
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:02,940
have been events that more than you know

762
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:05,130
just one individuals seem to picked up

763
00:35:09,470 --> 00:35:07,470
on sure absolutely this happens all time

764
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:09,480
in 9/11 is a great example or the

765
00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:11,640
Titanic disaster isn't you know I talked

766
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:13,230
about both of these in my book you know

767
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:14,970
lots of people but what are they pre

768
00:35:19,339 --> 00:35:16,619
cognizing are they pre cognizing the

769
00:35:21,019 --> 00:35:19,349
actual event are you know in Dallas or

770
00:35:23,509 --> 00:35:21,029
are they pre cognizing their own reading

771
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,519
of a newspaper story or they're hearing

772
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:26,460
of the story on the news and in fact one

773
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:29,450
of the one of the great pioneers in this

774
00:35:34,460 --> 00:35:32,099
in the study of precognition was an

775
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:34,470
aeronautical engineer in the about a

776
00:35:40,579 --> 00:35:37,650
century ago named JW done John William

777
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:40,589
Dunn who made a sort of a study of his

778
00:35:45,009 --> 00:35:43,170
precognitive dreams and he note he had

779
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:45,019
this brilliant kind of forensic

780
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,130
engineers mind he could sort of pick

781
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:49,920
apart you know he would you know he

782
00:35:54,789 --> 00:35:52,529
studied the crashes of test planes you

783
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:54,799
know and so he could he had that kind of

784
00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:57,569
investigators mindset well he said he'd

785
00:36:02,210 --> 00:35:59,730
applied the same thing to his own dreams

786
00:36:04,910 --> 00:36:02,220
and he was able to determine in every

787
00:36:07,579 --> 00:36:04,920
case that a dream that seemed to be

788
00:36:11,029 --> 00:36:07,589
about an event was really about his own

789
00:36:12,769 --> 00:36:11,039
learning of the event or the way he

790
00:36:14,269 --> 00:36:12,779
learned about the event later and the

791
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:14,279
way you can tell the difference is if

792
00:36:19,819 --> 00:36:16,410
there's a discrepancy if there's a

793
00:36:23,029 --> 00:36:19,829
discrepancy between the actual event in

794
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:23,039
history and the way it's reported or the

795
00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:24,119
way you learn about it

796
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:30,390
well his precognitive dreams always were

797
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:33,180
about the way he learned about it and he

798
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:34,140
could tell that when there was a

799
00:36:40,759 --> 00:36:37,470
discrepancy the most famous example of

800
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,769
this is his he dreamed he was on he was

801
00:36:46,549 --> 00:36:43,140
on maneuvers I think it like 1900 or

802
00:36:48,769 --> 00:36:46,559
1901 in the Boer War in South Africa and

803
00:36:51,019 --> 00:36:48,779
he was camped out with his regiment and

804
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:51,029
he had a dream that he was on a volcano

805
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,940
about to explode and he somehow knew

806
00:36:59,059 --> 00:36:56,400
that 4,000 people were about to die and

807
00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:59,069
he was a French somehow this was a

808
00:37:03,539 --> 00:37:02,140
French place and he kept trying to

809
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:03,549
convinced the French authorities to

810
00:37:07,289 --> 00:37:05,380
rescue these people who are about to die

811
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:07,299
the 4,000 people are about to die well

812
00:37:14,910 --> 00:37:10,510
then he wakes up and that day or the

813
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:14,920
next day the the mail arrives a of mail

814
00:37:21,539 --> 00:37:18,010
arrives in the inn in his regiment and

815
00:37:25,140 --> 00:37:21,549
the newspaper the headline and the

816
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:25,150
newspaper is that 40,000 people die on

817
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:26,890
the French island of Martinique

818
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:30,480
when mont palais this volcano blew up

819
00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:33,430
and he was stunned by this I mean how

820
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:35,619
could you know he was he was out by he

821
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,230
was off by 1:0 and his number you know

822
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,000
but four thousand forty thousand that's

823
00:37:44,609 --> 00:37:42,400
pretty pretty close well he later

824
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,619
learned that well the actual death toll

825
00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:46,720
turned out to be something like 30,000

826
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:49,779
or 36,000 so I mean he wasn't he wasn't

827
00:37:54,569 --> 00:37:52,390
you know somehow directly getting

828
00:37:58,289 --> 00:37:54,579
information across space across

829
00:38:00,569 --> 00:37:58,299
space-time from that volcano eruption he

830
00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:00,579
was getting he was he was getting a

831
00:38:07,099 --> 00:38:03,430
preview of his experience of reading

832
00:38:11,099 --> 00:38:07,109
that headline and he is dream sort of

833
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:11,109
dramatized it the way dreams do but he

834
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:12,730
was Precog NIH's in his own future

835
00:38:17,249 --> 00:38:15,369
learning experiences and you know he had

836
00:38:21,269 --> 00:38:17,259
several great beautiful examples of this

837
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:21,279
and and in my book I I go through many

838
00:38:25,950 --> 00:38:24,130
many many cases that show the same thing

839
00:38:29,059 --> 00:38:25,960
when you can when you can sort of draw a

840
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:29,069
distinction between an actual event and

841
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:31,720
the way a person learns of the event and

842
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:33,700
what they think about that event the

843
00:38:38,180 --> 00:38:35,920
dream or the precognitive experience is

844
00:38:40,769 --> 00:38:38,190
always about the latter it's not about

845
00:38:42,509 --> 00:38:40,779
objective things in objective reality

846
00:38:45,269 --> 00:38:42,519
it's always about our own subjective

847
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:45,279
future states are our future mental

848
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:48,549
states what we had on Tim to remember we

849
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:53,130
had on a bender Porter he had done a

850
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:56,049
video about what was the lady's thing

851
00:39:03,509 --> 00:39:00,640
I'm Margaret Duncan yes yes okay who was

852
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:03,519
tried in England she was the first

853
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:06,970
person last person tried as a witch and

854
00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:09,849
we're talking about what 290 late 1940

855
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:11,980
yeah yeah yeah

856
00:39:19,110 --> 00:39:16,540
yeah because she had apparently now if

857
00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:19,120
she predicted a what was it to me of a

858
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:24,060
sinking of a British naval vessel right

859
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:27,370
and and so they thought that you know

860
00:39:31,610 --> 00:39:29,020
the only possible way that she could

861
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:31,620
have done this is that she must have had

862
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:36,100
you know been in collusion with the

863
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:38,350
enemy or whoever was responsible I think

864
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:43,600
for blowing up the the lead ship but of

865
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:45,970
course she maintained that you know she

866
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:49,360
got her information through the through

867
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:52,090
the aspheric that it was a you know it

868
00:39:58,740 --> 00:39:56,140
was an actual premonition so some people

869
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:58,750
do I mean seem to be able to tap into

870
00:40:04,860 --> 00:40:03,040
the future to some extent unless in her

871
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:04,870
case somebody really did tip her off but

872
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,030
that well I don't the what was it I

873
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:10,510
think the the ship had gone down but it

874
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:12,850
had not been reported in the press I

875
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:16,890
think at that time but in the process of

876
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:20,850
you know hauling her in and accusing her

877
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,130
she would find out you know she would

878
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:26,320
she would receive information about that

879
00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:28,780
she may have been Precog nicely what the

880
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:31,660
investigators told her yeah in the

881
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:33,130
process yeah but yeah we don't we don't

882
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:35,230
you know we don't know the or I don't

883
00:40:39,870 --> 00:40:38,020
remember the the type that she had a

884
00:40:41,370 --> 00:40:39,880
premonition as opposed to the time she

885
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,380
was you know arrested for it or

886
00:40:46,290 --> 00:40:42,880
something I'm see would you try and do a

887
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:46,300
to it to get at but we don't know I you

888
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:48,790
know I can't say that that's the case or

889
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,680
it isn't the case yeah and most in most

890
00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:52,720
cases there isn't the available you know

891
00:40:58,770 --> 00:40:55,060
you can't tell for sure which what

892
00:41:02,850 --> 00:40:58,780
what's going well Tim you mate you made

893
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:02,860
a point there that she she tapped into

894
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:05,920
the future but I think that what Eric is

895
00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:09,010
saying is kind of the opposite that the

896
00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:14,590
future is tapping into the present well

897
00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:16,390
there you know people make this

898
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:18,040
distinction but I don't I don't think

899
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:23,020
it's a real distinction in you know the

900
00:41:30,370 --> 00:41:28,130
you seeing the feet it's like okay use

901
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:30,380
let's use the spatial analogy of looking

902
00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:32,810
out the window okay of seeing a tree out

903
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:36,680
the window now is the tree is are the

904
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:38,630
photon you can describe the photons from

905
00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:40,730
the tree coming through the window and

906
00:41:44,170 --> 00:41:42,350
into your eye you can describe it that

907
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,180
way or you can describe yourself as

908
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:46,550
looking out the window well the same

909
00:41:54,030 --> 00:41:50,090
thing is happening through time there in

910
00:41:56,860 --> 00:41:54,040
quantum physics it's been perfectly

911
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:56,870
accepted actually for a long time that

912
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:01,280
information and causation can can happen

913
00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:06,230
in both directions in in time and what I

914
00:42:12,370 --> 00:42:08,510
argue in this book and I'm not the first

915
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:12,380
to argue this is that the brain is an

916
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:14,720
organ that is able to scale up these

917
00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:25,620
basically act as what I call a tesseract

918
00:42:30,310 --> 00:42:28,460
that's a science fiction sort of device

919
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:30,320
you know that it's a doorway through

920
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:31,670
time well I think the brain is a

921
00:42:36,490 --> 00:42:34,010
tesseract it's it's it's you know it's

922
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:36,500
it's information is flowing because of

923
00:42:40,510 --> 00:42:38,960
quantum processes being scaled up in the

924
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:40,520
brain information is flowing in both

925
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:43,490
directions and we're able to a degree

926
00:42:49,660 --> 00:42:46,280
not perfectly by any means but were able

927
00:42:51,610 --> 00:42:49,670
to a degree receive and make some kind

928
00:42:59,830 --> 00:42:51,620
of sense of information flowing from our

929
00:43:04,420 --> 00:42:59,840
futures and I don't remember the point I

930
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:04,430
was trying to make with that well I had

931
00:43:16,450 --> 00:43:12,860
said okay so now is there at some point

932
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:16,460
here that I mean the science can look

933
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:20,690
back at this and say well you know there

934
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:22,910
is a theory that's workable where we

935
00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:25,370
could see into the future

936
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:28,700
I mean it's seen it seems that you know

937
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:30,560
a pair of psychologists kind of stand

938
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:33,170
alone at this and that those in the

939
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:35,050
scientific

940
00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:39,280
you know community who have and I used

941
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,520
credentials and in quotes seem to like

942
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:46,000
elect the sensibility to to look at

943
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:47,890
anything along this line and even come

944
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:50,770
up with a workable theory yeah I think

945
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:53,770
it's people in parapsychology some

946
00:43:58,830 --> 00:43:55,720
people in parapsychology or I think at a

947
00:44:03,200 --> 00:43:58,840
frontier that is not you know most

948
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:03,210
people in mainstream you know

949
00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:05,710
neuroscience or biology or not quite

950
00:44:12,450 --> 00:44:08,140
there yet but I you know science evolves

951
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:12,460
and advances and and I have a feeling

952
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:17,350
you know I kind of my my I have if I if

953
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,270
I had to place money on it I would I

954
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,190
would say that you know in twenty thirty

955
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:23,680
years it's gonna be very well accepted

956
00:44:29,550 --> 00:44:27,760
that the the brain and other living

957
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:29,560
systems not just the brain but but the

958
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:31,690
brain especially the neuro their nervous

959
00:44:36,210 --> 00:44:34,690
systems especially can you know receive

960
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:36,220
information for them from their future

961
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:39,130
but it's gonna be discovering that you

962
00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:40,390
know through the Norden ordinary

963
00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:44,320
channels of science is gonna you know

964
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:47,020
it's gonna be research teams that have

965
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:49,930
nothing to do with parapsychology or the

966
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:51,490
paranormal or whatever and would never

967
00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:53,290
in a million years associate ourselves

968
00:45:00,300 --> 00:44:57,120
with people like you know like me or

969
00:45:01,590 --> 00:45:00,310
parapsychologists you know now and you

970
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:01,600
know probably this will be you know

971
00:45:05,820 --> 00:45:04,090
common knowledge in thirty years but but

972
00:45:07,650 --> 00:45:05,830
parent today's parent psychologists are

973
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:07,660
not going to be even either they're

974
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:09,400
gonna not even warrant more than a

975
00:45:17,250 --> 00:45:14,250
footnote in the future you know quantum

976
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:17,260
neuroscience of tomorrow that that

977
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:22,150
really makes sense of this stuff you

978
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:23,560
know when those when those discoveries

979
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:27,130
are made you know you said just a

980
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:28,750
footnote I mean yeah they're probably

981
00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:30,310
they're probably will be I mean you know

982
00:45:33,660 --> 00:45:31,960
it'll just be like oh well yeah that's a

983
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,670
pair of psychologist you know wrote

984
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:36,160
about something that was right somewhat

985
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:39,130
similar exactly yeah you know we we know

986
00:45:43,410 --> 00:45:40,690
that they were just a bunch of woo-woos

987
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:43,420
well exactly and that's that's actually

988
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:45,670
the way science goes I mean it's you

989
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:51,750
that kind of thing happens all the time

990
00:45:56,849 --> 00:45:54,220
you know like dark you know Darwin gets

991
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:56,859
credit for discovering the you know

992
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:00,640
natural selection well it was actually

993
00:46:06,839 --> 00:46:03,970
discovered three decades before he even

994
00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:06,849
spoke about his theory but you know

995
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,569
because it wasn't you know it was it

996
00:46:14,099 --> 00:46:12,160
wasn't expressed quite in the right way

997
00:46:16,260 --> 00:46:14,109
and it was expressed by people who

998
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,270
didn't have the right connections and

999
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:17,680
they weren't in the right place the

1000
00:46:24,450 --> 00:46:21,490
right time you know we now attribute the

1001
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:24,460
idea to Darwin but it's it's all it's

1002
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:25,930
always more complicated than that when

1003
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:27,220
you look at the history of science so I

1004
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:31,720
kind of suspect that that that I and and

1005
00:46:36,180 --> 00:46:33,250
other people writing about these

1006
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:36,190
phenomena right now are kind of we might

1007
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:44,760
well that's you know people well you

1008
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:47,230
know people have talked about if there

1009
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:49,540
is any kind of advancement in the

1010
00:46:56,819 --> 00:46:55,420
knowledge of UFOs that when that happens

1011
00:46:59,579 --> 00:46:56,829
you know there'll be a bunch of

1012
00:47:02,280 --> 00:46:59,589
scientists who will swoop in and make

1013
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:02,290
all the claims while you know people

1014
00:47:09,180 --> 00:47:07,240
like you know typically it myself yeah

1015
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:09,190
well they'll just be like you know oh

1016
00:47:13,289 --> 00:47:11,290
you know these guys you know they wrote

1017
00:47:19,260 --> 00:47:13,299
books about it but yeah we don't they

1018
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:19,270
were actually trying to make money well

1019
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:20,710
there's the key way there's a key word

1020
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:23,170
trying

1021
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,150
alright gentlemen we are coming up to

1022
00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:28,000
our top of the hour break so when we

1023
00:47:32,609 --> 00:47:29,400
come back we'll continue our

1024
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:32,619
conversations with Erick Gordo and Larry

1025
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,910
Flaxman on exploring the bizarre so stay

1026
00:47:51,609 --> 00:47:37,680
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1027
00:47:58,559 --> 00:47:55,900
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00:48:01,870 --> 00:47:58,569
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00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:01,880
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1030
00:48:10,269 --> 00:48:04,900
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1031
00:48:14,049 --> 00:48:10,279
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1032
00:48:17,759 --> 00:48:14,059
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1033
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:17,769
time to take back the night last night

1034
00:48:24,609 --> 00:48:21,410
now your electrifying hosts of exploring

1035
00:48:29,739 --> 00:48:24,619
the bizarre Timothy Beckley and Tim

1036
00:48:32,469 --> 00:48:29,749
Schwartz welcome back to the second

1037
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,479
segment of exploring the desire tonight

1038
00:48:39,299 --> 00:48:35,119
we're talking with dr. Eric weirdo and

1039
00:48:43,019 --> 00:48:39,309
Larry Flaxman and we're talking about

1040
00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:43,029
time precognition you know the

1041
00:48:53,019 --> 00:48:46,900
consciousness reality or whatever

1042
00:48:56,049 --> 00:48:53,029
whatever that tends to be and Larry I'm

1043
00:48:58,569 --> 00:48:56,059
gonna go and I know this goes back a

1044
00:49:00,489 --> 00:48:58,579
little bit for you but you know our

1045
00:49:04,989 --> 00:49:00,499
conversation tonight reminds me a little

1046
00:49:09,279 --> 00:49:04,999
bit of one of your older books the deja

1047
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:09,289
vu enigma and a lot of things that you

1048
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,190
know that we have been discussing really

1049
00:49:18,729 --> 00:49:17,119
kind of ties in to some of the stuff

1050
00:49:25,299 --> 00:49:18,739
that you wrote about yeah that you and

1051
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:25,309
Maria wrote about in that book so when

1052
00:49:29,709 --> 00:49:27,650
it comes to something like deja vu I

1053
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:29,719
mean what's the difference or is there a

1054
00:49:35,019 --> 00:49:31,249
difference between say like something

1055
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:35,029
like you know precognition and and you

1056
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:40,460
know a phenomena like that oh no I

1057
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:42,170
that's a great question and I think

1058
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:43,700
there is a tremendous amount of

1059
00:49:49,839 --> 00:49:47,390
crossover between those two can we go

1060
00:49:51,009 --> 00:49:49,849
back for the last segment we kind of

1061
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:51,019
know sure we're talking a little bit

1062
00:49:55,269 --> 00:49:53,450
about precognition and I kind of was I

1063
00:49:56,739 --> 00:49:55,279
didn't want to interrupt but I really

1064
00:49:59,799 --> 00:49:56,749
wanted to ask a question and one that

1065
00:50:03,700 --> 00:49:59,809
I'm you know I kind of struggle with as

1066
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:03,710
well so who's do a fan i i completely

1067
00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:05,390
understand the concept of Precog

1068
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:08,030
and I think it's there's certainly a lot

1069
00:50:14,590 --> 00:50:10,010
of credible stories of folks that that

1070
00:50:17,590 --> 00:50:14,600
are able to explain precognitive events

1071
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:17,600
but but here's my question about it and

1072
00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:18,710
it's something that I've kind of

1073
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:21,860
struggled with as a scientist and

1074
00:50:26,410 --> 00:50:23,930
knowing that that time is not linear

1075
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:26,420
that in other words there really is no

1076
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:28,850
past present or future that it's it's

1077
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:31,550
now right so when you look at it under a

1078
00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:35,570
scientific lens the concept of that kind

1079
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:40,460
of it's disturbing to me from the

1080
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:44,450
perspective of that would somewhat

1081
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:47,570
assume that the future had already been

1082
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,330
determined right so that whole idea of

1083
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:52,640
destiny versus free will you know is

1084
00:50:59,710 --> 00:50:56,620
there some sort of is is the future

1085
00:51:01,420 --> 00:50:59,720
predetermined and you know I don't know

1086
00:51:05,110 --> 00:51:01,430
that it necessarily is I mean if you

1087
00:51:07,780 --> 00:51:05,120
look on just look apply that to your

1088
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:07,790
daily life right if you look at events

1089
00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:10,040
throughout the day my new changes to

1090
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:12,860
your schedule you're able to kind of

1091
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:15,770
manipulate and change the events of the

1092
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:20,420
day right so how do you I guess this

1093
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:21,950
really is the question how do you

1094
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:25,640
explain precognitive events if you

1095
00:51:29,950 --> 00:51:28,310
really don't believe that the concept of

1096
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:29,960
or you that doesn't really resonate with

1097
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:32,030
you the concept of a predetermined

1098
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:38,060
future well the the as far as I'm

1099
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:40,490
concerned precognition sort of

1100
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:42,500
presupposes a predetermined future I

1101
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:46,670
mean that the I guess the the the most

1102
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:51,140
convincing cosmological model from my

1103
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:52,910
standpoint and a lot of physicists would

1104
00:51:59,260 --> 00:51:55,850
agree with this is that of Hermann

1105
00:52:02,050 --> 00:51:59,270
Minkowski he was he was Albert

1106
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,060
Einstein's math teacher and bright you

1107
00:52:06,550 --> 00:52:03,440
know he argued that the universe is a

1108
00:52:07,870 --> 00:52:06,560
big it's a big block you know that we

1109
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,880
just we have the three dimensions of

1110
00:52:13,090 --> 00:52:10,640
space that we're familiar with and the

1111
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:13,100
fourth dimension is time and that

1112
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:17,720
they're all the same and that that so so

1113
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:19,190
you know the few

1114
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:20,900
future events even though we can't know

1115
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:23,839
them we don't know them from our present

1116
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:25,130
point of view from this kind of

1117
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:27,410
fictional now point of view we don't

1118
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:28,490
know what's gonna happen in the future

1119
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:33,890
it's already there and and as a result

1120
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,410
of that there are ways that it can the

1121
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:41,359
future can influence the present and the

1122
00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:43,790
present can influence the past the same

1123
00:52:48,940 --> 00:52:46,460
way that events you know over here in

1124
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:48,950
one place in space can influence events

1125
00:52:54,849 --> 00:52:52,880
you know another place so that's really

1126
00:52:56,980 --> 00:52:54,859
the kind of model and that and that is

1127
00:52:59,859 --> 00:52:56,990
disturbing to people because it implies

1128
00:53:02,680 --> 00:52:59,869
well then I that my sense of having free

1129
00:53:07,530 --> 00:53:02,690
will and my my sense of the ability to

1130
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:07,540
change my destiny is really an illusion

1131
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:12,079
you know that's and it raises I am I

1132
00:53:19,059 --> 00:53:14,920
argue that we need to sit with that

1133
00:53:21,690 --> 00:53:19,069
troubling idea and and not just reject

1134
00:53:24,490 --> 00:53:21,700
it sort of an in a knee-jerk kind of way

1135
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:24,500
when I started studying this stuff I

1136
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:26,690
tended to reject it in a knee-jerk way

1137
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:28,300
because I didn't like that idea

1138
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,670
initially but the more I thought about

1139
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:33,680
it the more persuasive it got and also

1140
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:35,750
it sort of resonated with my own kind of

1141
00:53:40,059 --> 00:53:37,490
spiritual beliefs I've been kind of a

1142
00:53:44,290 --> 00:53:40,069
Zen person and that that idea of

1143
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:44,300
permanence in within this kind of

1144
00:53:51,309 --> 00:53:47,450
illusion of impermanence isn't isn't all

1145
00:53:53,710 --> 00:53:51,319
that counter to what a lot of Eastern

1146
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:53,720
you know philosophers would argue so I

1147
00:53:58,329 --> 00:53:56,450
sort of I've come to love the idea of

1148
00:53:59,890 --> 00:53:58,339
the block universe but it's it's

1149
00:54:01,809 --> 00:53:59,900
something this is this goes back to that

1150
00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:01,819
taboo I was talking about people really

1151
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:03,260
have a you know it's something that

1152
00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:06,200
people really have a reaction against

1153
00:54:09,730 --> 00:54:08,300
and so I'm just asking people to kind of

1154
00:54:13,150 --> 00:54:09,740
consider that reaction where does that

1155
00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:13,160
come from one now is it possible that

1156
00:54:22,420 --> 00:54:17,720
some event events are changeable but

1157
00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:22,430
that the majority of them are not well

1158
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:24,980
you know you're gonna get a lot of

1159
00:54:31,630 --> 00:54:27,500
different opinions on this my opinion is

1160
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:31,640
is no but a lot of people who write

1161
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:32,990
about precognition and

1162
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,010
P argue yes kind of a mane I guess the

1163
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:39,200
mainstream position I think right now in

1164
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:41,890
parapsychology is that precognition

1165
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:45,560
concerns probable probable futures and

1166
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:48,530
this this idea of probability of course

1167
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:50,330
is central to quantum physics and so

1168
00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:54,410
forth and thus you know you can you pre

1169
00:55:00,100 --> 00:54:58,220
cognize you know probable events but you

1170
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:00,110
can potentially alter a course of

1171
00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:02,210
history and all that I think that that

1172
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:05,000
that I I argue in the book that that

1173
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:09,200
position is not coherent on a sort of

1174
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:12,050
deep level and it and that it doesn't

1175
00:55:15,970 --> 00:55:13,610
really make a lot of sense when you

1176
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:15,980
really examine it particularly cases of

1177
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:18,650
precognition when you're talking events

1178
00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:21,200
years in the future and your Precog

1179
00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:23,600
izing something very precisely and this

1180
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:25,550
there's a million cases of this and I've

1181
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:28,250
experienced them very profoundly myself

1182
00:55:32,859 --> 00:55:31,430
actually in my own dreams and you know

1183
00:55:34,330 --> 00:55:32,869
if we live in a butterfly effect

1184
00:55:38,020 --> 00:55:34,340
universe you know we're like you know

1185
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:38,030
any little any little alteration in my

1186
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:43,070
in in my day could have radical effects

1187
00:55:48,370 --> 00:55:46,010
on future history so how could I pre

1188
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:48,380
cognize something very precisely a day

1189
00:55:54,099 --> 00:55:50,600
that I might have you know two decades

1190
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,109
in the future if that future is not

1191
00:55:59,620 --> 00:55:56,720
really already existing already kind of

1192
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,630
set in stone so I'm kind of taking a

1193
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,280
contrary in position in this book to

1194
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,960
what a lot of current pair of

1195
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,119
psychologists would say but yeah so

1196
00:56:08,890 --> 00:56:07,280
that's all that is to say is that there

1197
00:56:16,030 --> 00:56:08,900
are a lot of different there's a whole

1198
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:16,040
there's a wide well okay it I was I was

1199
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:17,510
gonna say real quick it makes me wonder

1200
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:23,170
then you know people who you know have a

1201
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:26,330
dream where you know say like you know

1202
00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:27,650
they're supposed to take a flight that

1203
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:31,580
next day and they decide well I they

1204
00:56:34,300 --> 00:56:32,810
have a dream that you know they're on

1205
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:34,310
the flight into flight crashes and

1206
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:36,530
they're killed so they decide not to

1207
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:41,119
take the flight and the flight crashes

1208
00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:42,980
but they're not on it and they live so I

1209
00:56:50,530 --> 00:56:46,520
wonder if the the your your

1210
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:50,540
your consciousness is acting as a editor

1211
00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:56,930
narrator - you know somehow I'm not

1212
00:57:01,210 --> 00:56:58,970
quite you know sure what it is you know

1213
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:01,220
even though you know if your future is

1214
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,490
already determined that you weren't

1215
00:57:10,030 --> 00:57:07,520
going to get on to that plane

1216
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:10,040
but you see yourself dying in it and

1217
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,740
then you don't you know is your mind

1218
00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:14,720
acting as an editor so to speak

1219
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:17,180
well you know this goes you need to

1220
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:19,490
realize that the imagination and that

1221
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:22,580
includes the dreams or dreams or not you

1222
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:24,140
know accurate representations of

1223
00:57:29,620 --> 00:57:26,020
anything they're they're very oblique

1224
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,630
symbolic associative representations and

1225
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:31,760
I'm you know yeah there are a lot of

1226
00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:34,430
cases just like you described where a

1227
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:37,190
person dreams that you know they died in

1228
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,540
the plane crash and so they don't take

1229
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:40,880
the plane the plane crashes well I'm

1230
00:57:47,410 --> 00:57:43,900
arguing that what they're Precog NIH's

1231
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:47,420
Ament elimin a chiral e form on learning

1232
00:57:51,370 --> 00:57:49,250
that that plane crashed oh my god I

1233
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:51,380
could have been on that plane and that's

1234
00:57:55,110 --> 00:57:53,330
what they're Precog Nuys they're Precog

1235
00:57:57,820 --> 00:57:55,120
knighting again their own future

1236
00:58:02,310 --> 00:57:57,830
reactions their own future thoughts and

1237
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:02,320
feelings in response to you know very

1238
00:58:07,830 --> 00:58:05,630
unsettling learning experiences are what

1239
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:07,840
is some what if it's some type of

1240
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:10,010
protection mechanism kind of like what

1241
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:11,750
we talked about with the grandfather

1242
00:58:15,970 --> 00:58:13,580
paradox and some of the other paradoxes

1243
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:15,980
that exist what if this is some sort of

1244
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:18,800
subconscious you know deep meta-level

1245
00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:21,890
per second ISM that's in place to help

1246
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:26,060
us you know protect ourselves what if

1247
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:27,530
that's something that's built-in that we

1248
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:28,850
just don't completely understand that

1249
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:31,100
all of us have access to it at some

1250
00:58:35,260 --> 00:58:32,780
point which might explain why some

1251
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:35,270
people you know most people in fact have

1252
00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:36,830
had some type of pre cognitive

1253
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:38,270
experience at some point in their life

1254
00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:40,970
but I don't know I'm just thinking kind

1255
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:42,560
of outside the box maybe it's something

1256
00:58:48,910 --> 00:58:46,250
that is is a healthy mechanism and

1257
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:48,920
something that is is a useful perhaps

1258
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:51,650
it's something you know from from

1259
00:58:57,130 --> 00:58:53,990
caveman days that that we've inherited

1260
00:58:58,450 --> 00:58:57,140
that would allow us to further the

1261
00:59:00,220 --> 00:58:58,460
species I don't know I'm just thinking

1262
00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:00,230
kind of outside the box about it

1263
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:02,750
it goes way back before caveman days I

1264
00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:04,550
mean this is basically relation

1265
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:06,980
evolutionary by I mean this is you know

1266
00:59:12,010 --> 00:59:10,640
I think it's basic to evolution and in

1267
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,020
fact one of the chapters in my book I I

1268
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:14,960
I sort of speculate a little bit but I

1269
00:59:23,740 --> 00:59:20,990
it's grounded I think in in in sort of

1270
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:23,750
current frontiers in biology that that

1271
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:25,970
this kind of precognition or this kind

1272
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:28,609
of responsiveness to the future may be

1273
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:30,710
the very basis of life I mean this may

1274
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:33,170
be this may be that kind of x-factor

1275
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:35,750
that that that scientists have been

1276
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:37,609
looking for for centuries that would

1277
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,150
sort of separate life from lifeless

1278
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:44,240
matter and that sort of the the you know

1279
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:46,130
back in past centuries they talked about

1280
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:50,030
a life force or whatever well it may be

1281
00:59:58,900 --> 00:59:53,650
something more like this this this

1282
01:00:03,460 --> 00:59:58,910
quantum pre-spawn Civ nasira Ward's and

1283
01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:03,470
the basic reward being survival so I so

1284
01:00:08,650 --> 01:00:06,080
my argument in the book is that in time

1285
01:00:10,660 --> 01:00:08,660
loops is that is that a nervous system

1286
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:10,670
you know especially the human nervous

1287
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:12,170
system but basically any nervous system

1288
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:14,450
is a sort of a system that that scales

1289
01:00:23,170 --> 01:00:18,730
up this this pre-spawn Civ nough stew

1290
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,180
survival into future rewards in a big

1291
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:26,240
way and you know probably on the level

1292
01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:27,650
of life itself that probably you're

1293
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,560
talking on the level of you know

1294
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:32,720
milliseconds you know milliseconds ahead

1295
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:35,570
you know or microseconds whatever just

1296
01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:38,060
just a slight advantage you know over

1297
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,500
kind of random chance is gonna be

1298
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:44,720
selected for in evolution you know and I

1299
01:00:50,620 --> 01:00:47,480
think this scales up in a nervous system

1300
01:00:53,260 --> 01:00:50,630
to become much more complex and to have

1301
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:53,270
to do not necessarily not only with

1302
01:00:58,990 --> 01:00:55,430
personal the survival of the organism

1303
01:01:03,849 --> 01:00:59,000
but also just the kind of again the the

1304
01:01:06,580 --> 01:01:03,859
survival of upheavals and kind of kind

1305
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,590
of withstanding close calls and

1306
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:08,240
challenges in our lives and so yes

1307
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:10,190
exactly what what you're saying is I

1308
01:01:13,810 --> 01:01:12,290
totally threw is that this is a this is

1309
01:01:16,510 --> 01:01:13,820
a system that

1310
01:01:19,870 --> 01:01:16,520
or an sus yeah so honey let me take that

1311
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:19,880
one step further what do you think that

1312
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:22,730
human physiology okay not human

1313
01:01:26,170 --> 01:01:24,170
do you think that this is strictly a

1314
01:01:28,990 --> 01:01:26,180
human construct or do you think that

1315
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:29,000
other animals perhaps might have the

1316
01:01:34,540 --> 01:01:31,250
same type of abilities that we do of for

1317
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:34,550
instance I know that it's very well and

1318
01:01:41,790 --> 01:01:37,930
it's very it's very commonly reported

1319
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:41,800
trait for dogs for instance to know

1320
01:01:47,740 --> 01:01:45,290
prior to an earthquake for instance know

1321
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:47,750
they'll start barking and howling now

1322
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,740
obviously there's a physiological

1323
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:50,720
component to that they can obviously

1324
01:01:55,930 --> 01:01:54,590
hear much higher than we can perhaps

1325
01:02:00,090 --> 01:01:55,940
that's part of it but do you think other

1326
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:00,100
species have that same ability to access

1327
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:02,780
precognitive event that we do yeah

1328
01:02:07,150 --> 01:02:04,790
absolutely probably even more so than we

1329
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:07,160
do I mean this is I think I think in in

1330
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:09,770
the human world you know these you know

1331
01:02:14,110 --> 01:02:11,450
we call it intuition I mean that's

1332
01:02:18,190 --> 01:02:14,120
that's our word for you know for this

1333
01:02:20,650 --> 01:02:18,200
kind of sixth sense and but I think it's

1334
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:20,660
it's you know yeah it goes it's through

1335
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:22,490
the animal kingdom and there's there was

1336
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:26,930
a study a couple years ago a an

1337
01:02:31,450 --> 01:02:29,960
experimenter found that planarian worms

1338
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:31,460
you know there these are the simplest

1339
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:33,230
animals with a nervous system

1340
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:34,850
you know they it's like I think a few

1341
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:36,530
hundred they have a few hundred neurons

1342
01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:38,510
whatever they're taking a tiny little

1343
01:02:45,010 --> 01:02:41,590
worms they can orient away from aversive

1344
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:45,020
stimuli a minute in advance now you know

1345
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,510
that's astonishing compared if-if-if

1346
01:02:53,410 --> 01:02:50,000
true yeah this is just one study I don't

1347
01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:53,420
even know how how well powered the study

1348
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:55,190
was so you know whatever you'd have

1349
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:56,570
they'd have to do more research to sort

1350
01:03:00,070 --> 01:02:58,250
of you know replicate it but the point

1351
01:03:02,620 --> 01:03:00,080
is I mean if that's true you know that's

1352
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,630
astonishing compared to you know the

1353
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:04,640
best laboratory studies of precognition

1354
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:08,390
in humans you know show effects you know

1355
01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:11,360
milliseconds ahead you know that that

1356
01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:14,990
people and experiments can respond to

1357
01:03:20,830 --> 01:03:18,560
stimuli you know with you know their

1358
01:03:22,810 --> 01:03:20,840
autonomic nervous systems you know you

1359
01:03:24,550 --> 01:03:22,820
know a few fraction and a fraction of a

1360
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:24,560
second in the future or maybe a second

1361
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,000
you know I think 10 seconds is kind of

1362
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:29,280
most anyone has really been able to find

1363
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:31,380
in the laboratory for humans but if you

1364
01:03:38,060 --> 01:03:34,770
say a whole minute for a very simple

1365
01:03:40,190 --> 01:03:38,070
organism you know it makes sense that

1366
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:40,200
that that what we call precognition is

1367
01:03:48,910 --> 01:03:41,970
just the tip of the tiny little tip of

1368
01:03:58,460 --> 01:03:53,810
influenced by future events and stimuli

1369
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,470
in an organisms life you know and and

1370
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:00,000
that they were oh and they would orient

1371
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:03,330
towards survival and and my book offers

1372
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:05,610
a mechanism for how that might work but

1373
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:09,720
there and there seems to be people who

1374
01:04:14,810 --> 01:04:13,110
are more adept at this than others I'm

1375
01:04:18,490 --> 01:04:14,820
thinking along the lines of say like

1376
01:04:24,830 --> 01:04:18,500
remote viewers Ingo Swann you know comes

1377
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:24,840
comes to mind I mean so have have any of

1378
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:27,570
them tried to come up with an

1379
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:30,480
explanation on you know how this process

1380
01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:33,290
works from em well honestly the the most

1381
01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:36,270
the most successful living remote viewer

1382
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:39,900
is Joe mcmoneagle and I don't know if

1383
01:04:44,730 --> 01:04:42,510
you've heard him on the show but he he

1384
01:04:46,690 --> 01:04:44,740
actually he hit on this explanation

1385
01:04:49,070 --> 01:04:46,700
[Music]

1386
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:49,080
decades ago I you know in his in the

1387
01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:51,330
early 90s I think his book mine Trek you

1388
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:52,590
know someone wrote to him you know how

1389
01:04:56,690 --> 01:04:55,020
do you think remote viewing works and he

1390
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:56,700
actually realized that you know I think

1391
01:05:01,100 --> 01:04:58,650
that I'm getting the answer from my own

1392
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:01,110
future self that in the future when I

1393
01:05:05,390 --> 01:05:03,510
know you know when I know the answer to

1394
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:05,400
the question that has been posed to me

1395
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:08,880
now if that that is sort of somehow

1396
01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:11,490
sending back information to me now and

1397
01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:14,670
I'm receiving it and I there's a an

1398
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:16,860
increasing school of thought that that's

1399
01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:19,740
how basically all psychic phenomena

1400
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:21,630
really worked there all precognition

1401
01:05:26,690 --> 01:05:25,140
into in disguise and and there were sort

1402
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:26,700
of getting information from some future

1403
01:05:32,660 --> 01:05:29,610
time point at which we will learn what

1404
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:32,670
it is we think we're seeing directly

1405
01:05:39,420 --> 01:05:37,200
across space so so yeah so Joe

1406
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:39,430
mcmoneagle is a perfect example

1407
01:05:45,809 --> 01:05:43,089
sort of hit on this this idea very early

1408
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:45,819
on unfortunately but again because of

1409
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:48,220
those taboos people don't pursue this

1410
01:05:56,430 --> 01:05:53,190
this explanation very fiercely it's a

1411
01:05:58,290 --> 01:05:56,440
there are more taboos than the ones we

1412
01:06:00,510 --> 01:05:58,300
have mentioned so far but there are a

1413
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:00,520
lot of reasons people would rather it

1414
01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:04,660
not be precognition so you know it's

1415
01:06:10,710 --> 01:06:07,480
that's I think kept kept people from

1416
01:06:12,450 --> 01:06:10,720
really pursuing this research well I can

1417
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:12,460
think of an interesting thought

1418
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:16,530
experiment along those lines where

1419
01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:20,130
somebody would be asked to Remote View

1420
01:06:30,210 --> 01:06:25,900
something and then afterwards be given

1421
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:30,220
incorrect information exactly to see you

1422
01:06:36,540 --> 01:06:33,369
know to see if they had and you know and

1423
01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:36,550
and the head never they're never told

1424
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:42,520
the truth so it's always tried that as

1425
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:44,650
far as I know they haven't and that is

1426
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:48,490
what's fascinating that I I am not aware

1427
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:51,010
of any experiment it would be very

1428
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:53,170
simple and the way I imagine it is you

1429
01:06:57,299 --> 01:06:55,359
would like take you know five or ten

1430
01:06:59,339 --> 01:06:57,309
like of your best remote viewers and put

1431
01:07:02,339 --> 01:06:59,349
them in a room have them Remote View a

1432
01:07:05,460 --> 01:07:02,349
site you know somewhere in the in in the

1433
01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:05,470
you know within you know thirty miles of

1434
01:07:10,410 --> 01:07:07,660
the room where you're having them doing

1435
01:07:12,089 --> 01:07:10,420
this and this is our it in the style of

1436
01:07:15,089 --> 01:07:12,099
the early remote viewing experiments and

1437
01:07:17,549 --> 01:07:15,099
then okay after the session you all they

1438
01:07:19,859 --> 01:07:17,559
all get in a bus and you take them to

1439
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:19,869
the site now in the meanwhile you have a

1440
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:23,230
Confederate who takes a and plants a

1441
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:26,470
very vivid sculpture mmm it right in the

1442
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:28,180
middle of that site that they remote

1443
01:07:34,829 --> 01:07:33,250
weird okay and when they arrive you know

1444
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,839
they're gonna see the first thing

1445
01:07:39,299 --> 01:07:36,160
they're going to see is that sculpture

1446
01:07:42,059 --> 01:07:39,309
no will they're they're drawing or

1447
01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:42,069
whatever of the site match the site as

1448
01:07:47,819 --> 01:07:45,430
it was when they were in the room remote

1449
01:07:49,650 --> 01:07:47,829
viewing or will it match what they found

1450
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:49,660
when they arrived and got off the bus

1451
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:52,990
and that's you know it's a very simple

1452
01:07:59,820 --> 01:07:57,839
of feedback and I'm not aware of any any

1453
01:08:01,650 --> 01:07:59,830
studies that actually done that actually

1454
01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:01,660
if any any of your listeners are aware

1455
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:03,460
of such a study I would love to hear

1456
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:07,330
about it so please email me you know you

1457
01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:09,369
can find my email on my on my website

1458
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:11,500
the nightshirt calm and I would love to

1459
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:13,480
love to hear about it but I'm not aware

1460
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:15,070
of any studies that have actually

1461
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:18,130
manipulated feedback in that way that's

1462
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:19,930
the simple way of that's the simple way

1463
01:08:24,539 --> 01:08:23,410
of determining this hmm that would be

1464
01:08:28,170 --> 01:08:24,549
that'd be that'd be a fascinating

1465
01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:28,180
thought experiment you know it this this

1466
01:08:35,970 --> 01:08:32,380
conversation it reminds me that Nikola

1467
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:35,980
Tesla one time had an accident in his

1468
01:08:41,820 --> 01:08:39,250
laboratory where he was he was struck by

1469
01:08:45,539 --> 01:08:41,830
an arc of electricity when he was

1470
01:08:48,329 --> 01:08:45,549
working on his Tesla coil and he said in

1471
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,339
that moment before his assistant was

1472
01:08:53,490 --> 01:08:51,279
able to hit him with it wouldn't do by

1473
01:09:00,180 --> 01:08:53,500
four and knock him out of it that he

1474
01:09:01,979 --> 01:09:00,190
felt like that he was outside of time

1475
01:09:04,289 --> 01:09:01,989
and space he said that he had the

1476
01:09:06,209 --> 01:09:04,299
perception that he could see the past

1477
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:06,219
present future all at one time

1478
01:09:11,070 --> 01:09:08,290
and he had difficulty you know what's

1479
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:11,080
once he recovered yeah difficulty trying

1480
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:16,799
to verbalize which you know Tesla was

1481
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:21,130
never the man who was short of words but

1482
01:09:26,490 --> 01:09:22,810
the only thing that really he could

1483
01:09:30,059 --> 01:09:26,500
carry away with it was that he felt that

1484
01:09:32,910 --> 01:09:30,069
that time was an illusion and that

1485
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:32,920
everything was was happening at once and

1486
01:09:40,729 --> 01:09:37,859
it had a big influence on his attempted

1487
01:09:43,499 --> 01:09:40,739
development of his unified field theory

1488
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:43,509
Wow yeah that's a that's a great story

1489
01:09:47,340 --> 01:09:45,489
there there's a great book that your

1490
01:09:49,170 --> 01:09:47,350
listeners will enjoy that's coming out

1491
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:49,180
and I think in just a couple months and

1492
01:09:52,499 --> 01:09:50,410
maybe even coming out this month

1493
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:52,509
it's called changed in a flash and it's

1494
01:09:58,860 --> 01:09:56,520
by Jeffrey [\h__\h] and Elizabeth Crone

1495
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,870
Jeffrey Cry Pillai you may be aware of

1496
01:10:05,850 --> 01:10:01,360
he's a sort of leading scholar of the

1497
01:10:06,740 --> 01:10:05,860
paranormal and he got he was connected a

1498
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:06,750
few years ago with

1499
01:10:12,170 --> 01:10:08,490
woman Elizabeth Crone who was struck by

1500
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:12,180
lightning in the in the parking lot of

1501
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:16,730
her synagogue in 1978 I believe radiates

1502
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,120
yes 88 I believe and afterwards she

1503
01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:23,760
started having amazing precognitive Hill

1504
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:25,500
well she had a near-death experience and

1505
01:10:31,340 --> 01:10:27,510
a lot of other interesting paranormal

1506
01:10:33,410 --> 01:10:31,350
phenomena but also started pre cognizing

1507
01:10:36,260 --> 01:10:33,420
plane crashes and other disasters like

1508
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,270
very like strikingly and she would even

1509
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:38,880
email herself descriptions of her dreams

1510
01:10:44,570 --> 01:10:41,510
and then and then they would come true

1511
01:10:46,610 --> 01:10:44,580
you know the next day or whatever and so

1512
01:10:51,250 --> 01:10:46,620
she has a record of these amazing

1513
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:51,260
precognitive dreams so that book will

1514
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:54,570
it's like the perfect perfect example of

1515
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:55,380
what you're talking about

1516
01:10:59,450 --> 01:10:57,690
mmm yeah we'll have to look with that

1517
01:11:01,490 --> 01:10:59,460
maybe try to get the author on sometime

1518
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:01,500
all right we're coming up to the bottom

1519
01:11:06,230 --> 01:11:03,690
of the hour break so when we come back

1520
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:06,240
we will continue our conversation about

1521
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:08,850
time and consciousness and what have you

1522
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:11,610
aren't exploring the bizarre so stay

1523
01:11:26,730 --> 01:11:24,150
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1524
01:11:30,030 --> 01:11:26,740
two of the most electrifying researchers

1525
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:30,040
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

1526
01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:35,470
Lee panting Swift's alright welcome back

1527
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:38,230
to the final segment of exploring the

1528
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:40,690
bizarre it seems to him that we get to

1529
01:11:49,980 --> 01:11:43,630
this point of the show and it's it's

1530
01:11:51,570 --> 01:11:49,990
it's amazing how time flies so we'll

1531
01:11:53,850 --> 01:11:51,580
have to we'll have to hurry up and

1532
01:11:58,290 --> 01:11:53,860
continue our conversation with our guest

1533
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,300
eric worre go and Larry Flaxman and I'll

1534
01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:00,880
put this out to to to both of you

1535
01:12:06,810 --> 01:12:04,390
gentlemen and you know you you both can

1536
01:12:12,530 --> 01:12:06,820
can give me your own interpretation of

1537
01:12:14,910 --> 01:12:12,540
this question somebody asked me

1538
01:12:18,450 --> 01:12:14,920
concerning this show what is the

1539
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:18,460
difference between say like predictions

1540
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:23,290
and precognition and you know prophecy

1541
01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:27,520
or or what have you I I know that a lot

1542
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:29,860
of people just kind of like lump all

1543
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:32,260
these things in together but there is a

1544
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:36,580
difference right I can go ahead and

1545
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:41,380
address this the prediction would be

1546
01:12:50,340 --> 01:12:43,870
anything that that you know you could

1547
01:12:52,830 --> 01:12:50,350
use ordinary inference to to determine

1548
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:52,840
like you know I can predict you know

1549
01:12:58,500 --> 01:12:56,170
pretty accurately you know for instance

1550
01:13:03,510 --> 01:12:58,510
that I'm gonna get up tomorrow around

1551
01:13:05,610 --> 01:13:03,520
you know 6:30 and and you know go to

1552
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:05,620
work and I can I can predict a lot of

1553
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:07,300
things about my day but I'm doing that

1554
01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:10,960
not not because of anything remarkable

1555
01:13:15,620 --> 01:13:13,270
or certainly not ESP it's simply you

1556
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:15,630
know it's like I I know from experience

1557
01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:19,630
what what my day usually is and so you

1558
01:13:26,130 --> 01:13:23,160
know barring some something unforeseen

1559
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:26,140
like you know a breakdown on the public

1560
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:27,190
transportation or something like

1561
01:13:31,470 --> 01:13:30,100
that I'm gonna you know there's my days

1562
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:31,480
gonna unfold a certain way and you can

1563
01:13:37,470 --> 01:13:34,210
sort of predict the future that way and

1564
01:13:41,310 --> 01:13:37,480
that's what most professional predictors

1565
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:41,320
you know you know of you know say the

1566
01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:44,410
stock market or whatever are doing and

1567
01:13:47,070 --> 01:13:45,880
certain ends probably what most science

1568
01:13:48,689 --> 01:13:47,080
fiction writers are doing you know

1569
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,699
they're they're sort of taking current

1570
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:51,280
what they know about current trends and

1571
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:54,340
sort of extrapolating precognitive what

1572
01:14:00,240 --> 01:13:57,310
we're talking about is is something

1573
01:14:02,700 --> 01:14:00,250
where you you somehow know the future or

1574
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:02,710
see the future or are influenced by the

1575
01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:04,570
future in a way that's sort of outside

1576
01:14:12,510 --> 01:14:09,030
of that that ordinary that ordinary

1577
01:14:15,660 --> 01:14:12,520
psychology and the word you know words

1578
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:15,670
like prophecy and precognition and

1579
01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:17,530
premonition presentiment all that

1580
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:19,300
they're all basically the same thing

1581
01:14:23,490 --> 01:14:22,239
they're describing the same kind of what

1582
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:23,500
would we would typically term a

1583
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:27,640
paranormal being influenced by the

1584
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:29,890
future so prophecy that's a religion

1585
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:31,330
that tends to be associated with a

1586
01:14:37,020 --> 01:14:34,750
religion where you know you a person

1587
01:14:38,459 --> 01:14:37,030
speaks the future or I think that's what

1588
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:38,469
the technical meaning of the term is

1589
01:14:41,939 --> 01:14:40,449
speaking the future or you know writing

1590
01:14:44,939 --> 01:14:41,949
the future so you might talk about a

1591
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:44,949
prophetic text or a proof or a prophet

1592
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:49,180
who speaks some future event and

1593
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:52,000
premonition typically means having a

1594
01:14:57,689 --> 01:14:55,300
some sort of prediction of a disaster or

1595
01:14:59,880 --> 01:14:57,699
a death or something negative or you

1596
01:15:03,050 --> 01:14:59,890
have a vision or a feeling about the

1597
01:15:05,700 --> 01:15:03,060
about some future negative event

1598
01:15:08,820 --> 01:15:05,710
presentiment means feeling the future

1599
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:08,830
that is to say just kind of a feeling

1600
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:10,239
about something that might happen no

1601
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:13,180
either good or bad and precognition is

1602
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:22,709
Larry dude they don't really agree but

1603
01:15:29,330 --> 01:15:25,690
you know I think I would add that I

1604
01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:29,340
think that all prophetic type events

1605
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:33,160
really are precognitive but not all

1606
01:15:39,209 --> 01:15:37,210
precognitive events are prophetic that

1607
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:39,219
makes any sense I think really the best

1608
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:40,810
way to measure that or

1609
01:15:49,020 --> 01:15:45,150
you to analyze that would be that a

1610
01:15:51,690 --> 01:15:49,030
prophetic event would be one that comes

1611
01:15:53,730 --> 01:15:51,700
true if it doesn't come true then it

1612
01:15:57,450 --> 01:15:53,740
obviously wasn't a prophecy it wasn't

1613
01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:57,460
any type of prophetic experience so I

1614
01:16:01,620 --> 01:15:59,530
think you know we talked earlier about

1615
01:16:04,380 --> 01:16:01,630
about destiny and we talked about

1616
01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:04,390
whether you know you believe that the

1617
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:06,280
future is predestined and I think for

1618
01:16:12,150 --> 01:16:09,520
that prophetic experience to be true

1619
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,160
that it's it's um it's something that

1620
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:14,800
would be destined to happen and it can't

1621
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,070
be changed so you know even if you look

1622
01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:21,040
at like religion religious texts

1623
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:22,630
sometimes you'll you'll hear them speak

1624
01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:25,150
of false prophets well you know it's

1625
01:16:28,740 --> 01:16:26,680
very much the same thing it's something

1626
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,750
that is changeable it's something that's

1627
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:31,360
purporting to be something or someone

1628
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:33,730
that they are not so I think I think the

1629
01:16:41,790 --> 01:16:37,050
two things are related but different

1630
01:16:46,230 --> 01:16:41,800
this reminds me a lot when we when we're

1631
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:46,240
talking about this about a book that

1632
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:48,940
arthur c clarke wrote called childhoods

1633
01:16:59,480 --> 01:16:53,110
aunt and i don't know if either of you

1634
01:17:03,630 --> 01:16:59,490
are familiar with that but you know the

1635
01:17:06,510 --> 01:17:03,640
the book is about the arrival of of an

1636
01:17:08,910 --> 01:17:06,520
alien species to earth at first keeps

1637
01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:08,920
themselves hidden and then when they

1638
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:10,540
finally revealed themselves they look

1639
01:17:19,770 --> 01:17:15,420
like the the traditional mythological

1640
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:19,780
satan you know red with with horns and

1641
01:17:28,140 --> 01:17:21,970
the pointy tail and and everything like

1642
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:28,150
that and the they admitted that this was

1643
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:30,610
the first time that they had visited the

1644
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:36,010
earth and they they speculate that the

1645
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:40,950
reason that we have a mythology about

1646
01:17:47,850 --> 01:17:43,570
demonic creatures shaped and looking

1647
01:17:52,170 --> 01:17:47,860
just like them was because of this you

1648
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:52,180
know basically he'll the I guess a

1649
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:53,730
cultural

1650
01:18:01,190 --> 01:17:58,020
cry of pain at the end when the human

1651
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:01,200
race disappears and is replaced by the

1652
01:18:10,940 --> 01:18:05,280
the next step in the in evolution so I

1653
01:18:15,890 --> 01:18:10,950
mean you know very very much what you're

1654
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:15,900
talking about then Eric seems to I mean

1655
01:18:20,060 --> 01:18:18,330
of course is a science-fiction book but

1656
01:18:21,380 --> 01:18:20,070
you know a lot of the cases that that

1657
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:21,390
you write about the book or very

1658
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:25,050
reminiscent of this idea yeah I this is

1659
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:27,210
something that fascinates me and I am in

1660
01:18:30,290 --> 01:18:28,560
the book I tended to write about

1661
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:30,300
experiences that happen within an

1662
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:31,770
individual's lifetime because I think

1663
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,500
that that the the the brain is really

1664
01:18:39,260 --> 01:18:37,440
the central unit of precognition and

1665
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:39,270
that and that we really don't recognize

1666
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:41,610
things that we that we are not going to

1667
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,050
learn about have an opportunity to learn

1668
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:46,320
about you know and that were not going

1669
01:18:52,460 --> 01:18:48,350
to be able to learn about before we die

1670
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:52,470
but I do think that there's a way in

1671
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:55,320
which cultural traditions could act as a

1672
01:18:59,960 --> 01:18:57,570
kind of tesseract the same way the brain

1673
01:19:02,180 --> 01:18:59,970
does and that we could potentially be

1674
01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:02,190
influenced our culture could be

1675
01:19:08,060 --> 01:19:05,700
influenced by by images and ideas that

1676
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:08,070
that are off in the future and this is

1677
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:10,170
something that I'm gonna write about in

1678
01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:14,370
the future in fact and yeah I think I

1679
01:19:18,740 --> 01:19:15,990
think there's so much interesting

1680
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,750
evidence of this sort of thing I'm just

1681
01:19:28,190 --> 01:19:20,640
thinking of an example that a friend of

1682
01:19:29,530 --> 01:19:28,200
mine told me he he did it he is a has a

1683
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:29,540
lot of experience with ayahuasca

1684
01:19:37,310 --> 01:19:33,540
shamanism and and he was showing me some

1685
01:19:41,540 --> 01:19:37,320
artwork by by by shamans in in South

1686
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:41,550
America that that show you know they

1687
01:19:47,210 --> 01:19:44,640
they show like cities and and flying

1688
01:19:50,450 --> 01:19:47,220
saucers and very futuristic kind of

1689
01:19:52,430 --> 01:19:50,460
images and the standard you know

1690
01:19:54,380 --> 01:19:52,440
explanation for something like that

1691
01:19:56,510 --> 01:19:54,390
would be the well that you know this is

1692
01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:56,520
something that the shaman saw on TV or

1693
01:20:00,620 --> 01:19:58,830
something and and was reproducing but I

1694
01:20:02,660 --> 01:20:00,630
think that there really could be a way

1695
01:20:04,900 --> 01:20:02,670
in which in which particularly in

1696
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:04,910
altered states or whatever and then

1697
01:20:11,170 --> 01:20:08,450
sort of an initiatory tradition like you

1698
01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:11,180
know like the ayahuasca shamanism you

1699
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:13,790
know they're these things that are seen

1700
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:17,840
in the future could sort of retro

1701
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:20,870
influence you know cummins you know

1702
01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:23,600
through time and that that images for

1703
01:20:27,550 --> 01:20:26,030
the future could project backwards in

1704
01:20:30,010 --> 01:20:27,560
time so it's exactly like what you're

1705
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,020
describing with Arthur Sze Clarke's

1706
01:20:34,660 --> 01:20:33,440
novel yeah this is something that's

1707
01:20:37,180 --> 01:20:34,670
really interesting to me I know I don't

1708
01:20:40,150 --> 01:20:37,190
have any answers to it but I have that

1709
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:40,160
same kind of suspicion that that kind of

1710
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:42,310
thing is it's really a powerful force

1711
01:20:50,890 --> 01:20:48,310
potentially Oh Larry now I know that Tim

1712
01:20:53,050 --> 01:20:50,900
Beckley asks you this at the first

1713
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:53,060
segment of the program but you know

1714
01:20:56,860 --> 01:20:55,610
after we've had this this conversation

1715
01:21:02,320 --> 01:20:56,870
now and especially talking about the

1716
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:02,330
idea of the the block universe do you

1717
01:21:08,590 --> 01:21:05,930
think that and and I realize that you

1718
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:08,600
know this is just speculation on your

1719
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:10,880
part do you think then that at some you

1720
01:21:20,170 --> 01:21:15,710
know time in the future that we will be

1721
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,180
able to come up with a form of time

1722
01:21:25,870 --> 01:21:22,400
travel either you know physical or

1723
01:21:28,420 --> 01:21:25,880
mental or whatever you know it makes me

1724
01:21:30,220 --> 01:21:28,430
think of and I can't I can't remember

1725
01:21:33,310 --> 01:21:30,230
the name of this priest now but there's

1726
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:33,320
you know like a priest in the early

1727
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:37,250
1960s who claimed that that he had

1728
01:21:44,350 --> 01:21:42,320
invented a device that he could have yes

1729
01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:44,360
yes that's it that's it's a fascinating

1730
01:21:50,410 --> 01:21:47,750
fascinating story you know I do you

1731
01:21:54,610 --> 01:21:50,420
think that something like this is

1732
01:21:58,410 --> 01:21:54,620
possible will be possible or you know is

1733
01:22:01,300 --> 01:21:58,420
is happening you know now or sometime

1734
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:01,310
you know again I think we are

1735
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:02,930
time-traveling I think we have the

1736
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:04,550
ability to do it certainly in the dream

1737
01:22:11,890 --> 01:22:07,400
state but as far as physical time travel

1738
01:22:14,609 --> 01:22:11,900
you know it's hard to comprehend that

1739
01:22:17,739 --> 01:22:14,619
the technolog

1740
01:22:19,739 --> 01:22:17,749
capability that would allow us to have

1741
01:22:22,359 --> 01:22:19,749
that I mean one of probably the most

1742
01:22:25,329 --> 01:22:22,369
prevailing theories of time travel is

1743
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:25,339
the utilization of a wormhole without

1744
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:26,780
really getting into all the details

1745
01:22:31,089 --> 01:22:29,089
basically the gist of it is is that we

1746
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:31,099
would create some type of a ship or a

1747
01:22:37,569 --> 01:22:35,449
craft and we would fire ourself into a

1748
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,579
wormhole and then the wormhole would

1749
01:22:42,399 --> 01:22:40,159
then allow us to drop at hyperspeed

1750
01:22:45,099 --> 01:22:42,409
faster than life through parts of the

1751
01:22:47,770 --> 01:22:45,109
galaxy to another part of the galaxy

1752
01:22:50,500 --> 01:22:47,780
which my proxy would mean that we had

1753
01:22:52,779 --> 01:22:50,510
someone time-traveled the problem with

1754
01:22:56,979 --> 01:22:52,789
that though is that we don't have the

1755
01:23:00,399 --> 01:22:56,989
technological means to create any exotic

1756
01:23:04,029 --> 01:23:00,409
material strong enough to protect us

1757
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:04,039
from the gravitational waves and pull of

1758
01:23:11,409 --> 01:23:07,010
that black hole so that's probably the

1759
01:23:13,449 --> 01:23:11,419
the most possible I would say way for us

1760
01:23:15,099 --> 01:23:13,459
to physically time-travel but I mean

1761
01:23:18,429 --> 01:23:15,109
we're still probably hundreds of years

1762
01:23:20,729 --> 01:23:18,439
away from having a the technology first

1763
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:20,739
of all to even travel to a black hole

1764
01:23:26,699 --> 01:23:24,289
and then be create technology that will

1765
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:26,709
allow us to maintain life support and

1766
01:23:32,829 --> 01:23:30,289
system support within within the event

1767
01:23:36,759 --> 01:23:32,839
horizon of one so there's a variety of

1768
01:23:37,989 --> 01:23:36,769
other physical time-travel theories that

1769
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:37,999
have been put out there people have

1770
01:23:43,059 --> 01:23:40,159
talked about rotating magnets they

1771
01:23:44,979 --> 01:23:43,069
talked about lasers there's tons and

1772
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:44,989
tons of ideas about how we could do it

1773
01:23:51,729 --> 01:23:48,260
but from a physical from a practical

1774
01:23:54,069 --> 01:23:51,739
perspective physically it's the science

1775
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:54,079
just isn't there we just don't have it

1776
01:23:57,699 --> 01:23:56,449
now Einstein talks about in special

1777
01:23:59,770 --> 01:23:57,709
relativity and also in general

1778
01:24:01,479 --> 01:23:59,780
relativity he opened the door for

1779
01:24:04,929 --> 01:24:01,489
time-travel and he kind of leaves it

1780
01:24:07,319 --> 01:24:04,939
open but there's not really you know

1781
01:24:09,759 --> 01:24:07,329
mathematically it supports it but

1782
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:09,769
logistically and physically there's

1783
01:24:14,799 --> 01:24:12,169
really nothing that we have today or in

1784
01:24:16,989 --> 01:24:14,809
the in the very near future that would

1785
01:24:20,049 --> 01:24:16,999
allow us to actually do it so do I think

1786
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:20,059
it's possible at some point yeah I do

1787
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:22,489
think it's possible at some point that

1788
01:24:26,909 --> 01:24:24,169
we can achieve faster-than-light travel

1789
01:24:28,429 --> 01:24:26,919
and potentially breached time space and

1790
01:24:29,870 --> 01:24:28,439
travel

1791
01:24:32,060 --> 01:24:29,880
do I think it's going to be anything in

1792
01:24:35,409 --> 01:24:32,070
any of our lifetimes absolutely not I

1793
01:24:38,179 --> 01:24:35,419
think that if the technology is ever

1794
01:24:41,169 --> 01:24:38,189
created we're talking hundreds if not

1795
01:24:45,759 --> 01:24:41,179
thousands of years in the future right

1796
01:24:48,739 --> 01:24:45,769
what about the phenomena of time slips

1797
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:48,749
I've I've written extensively about this

1798
01:24:50,899 --> 01:24:49,530
myself

1799
01:24:54,069 --> 01:24:50,909
and have talked to a number of people

1800
01:24:59,659 --> 01:24:54,079
over the years who have personally had

1801
01:25:01,580 --> 01:24:59,669
these amazing experiences and you know

1802
01:25:06,819 --> 01:25:01,590
this this question is for both of you

1803
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:06,829
gentlemen I do you think that this is an

1804
01:25:14,839 --> 01:25:13,199
actual experience where somebody you

1805
01:25:17,299 --> 01:25:14,849
know is actually viewing either you know

1806
01:25:19,729 --> 01:25:17,309
the past or the future

1807
01:25:22,609 --> 01:25:19,739
or do you think they're you know could

1808
01:25:25,699 --> 01:25:22,619
be another unknown mechanism you know

1809
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:25,709
involved that we don't understand quite

1810
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:30,090
yet so so my opinion on that yeah and

1811
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:32,369
I've read lots and lots of folks that

1812
01:25:37,699 --> 01:25:36,209
have had experience all times I times

1813
01:25:40,609 --> 01:25:37,709
flip experiences in fact I've actually

1814
01:25:42,649 --> 01:25:40,619
even had one but what I think is

1815
01:25:44,179 --> 01:25:42,659
happening in a time slip experience and

1816
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:44,189
again this is just my opinion there's

1817
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,320
obviously no hard science behind this

1818
01:25:53,989 --> 01:25:48,719
but my opinion is that for a brief

1819
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:53,999
moment in time almost almost like back

1820
01:25:58,939 --> 01:25:56,639
in the analog radio days where as you're

1821
01:26:00,739 --> 01:25:58,949
tuning between stations on a radio you

1822
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:00,749
would hit that sweet spot where you kind

1823
01:26:04,759 --> 01:26:02,699
of pick up both stations at the same

1824
01:26:06,409 --> 01:26:04,769
time I think when that quantum slip

1825
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:06,419
occurs it's very similar to that and

1826
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:08,249
that you are tuned into two different

1827
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,409
realities at the exact same time I don't

1828
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:12,719
know if you know for from the

1829
01:26:16,609 --> 01:26:14,489
traditional definition of if you would

1830
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,619
consider that to be true time travel or

1831
01:26:21,109 --> 01:26:18,719
not I don't believe so but I think it's

1832
01:26:23,839 --> 01:26:21,119
accessing two different parallel

1833
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:23,849
realities at the same time in fact if

1834
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:26,880
you if you read any of the the extensive

1835
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:28,110
stories that have been written where

1836
01:26:35,060 --> 01:26:32,340
people have had especially experiences

1837
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:35,070
where they appear to travel not only in

1838
01:26:41,869 --> 01:26:37,260
time but also in two different

1839
01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:41,879
geographic location to there's always a

1840
01:26:46,459 --> 01:26:44,539
slight inconsistencies in their

1841
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:46,469
recollections in other words there's

1842
01:26:52,159 --> 01:26:48,179
always something slightly different

1843
01:26:54,589 --> 01:26:52,169
about the reality of their experience

1844
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:54,599
it's not crystal clear like it would be

1845
01:26:58,819 --> 01:26:56,820
you know in our four-dimensional world

1846
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:58,829
there's always something slightly off so

1847
01:27:02,449 --> 01:27:00,780
that makes me think that it's kind of

1848
01:27:04,759 --> 01:27:02,459
like that static between those two

1849
01:27:08,500 --> 01:27:04,769
stations and that you're you're

1850
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:08,510
accessing your reality your your current

1851
01:27:14,989 --> 01:27:11,489
four dimensional reality but you're also

1852
01:27:17,629 --> 01:27:14,999
somehow kind of breaking the bonds and

1853
01:27:19,159 --> 01:27:17,639
and accessing something completely

1854
01:27:21,799 --> 01:27:19,169
different and I think that same

1855
01:27:23,899 --> 01:27:21,809
mechanism in fact it's probably the

1856
01:27:25,969 --> 01:27:23,909
explanation for paranormal phenomena to

1857
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:25,979
a large extent as well when you have

1858
01:27:30,139 --> 01:27:28,169
when you look at electronic voice

1859
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:30,149
phenomena and you look at some of the

1860
01:27:35,929 --> 01:27:33,030
other quote evidence of the paranormal

1861
01:27:39,109 --> 01:27:35,939
you know there's a lot of similarities

1862
01:27:43,719 --> 01:27:39,119
in how the data is produced and how it

1863
01:27:46,489 --> 01:27:43,729
is viewed and the overall experience

1864
01:27:48,649 --> 01:27:46,499
representation of that so I think it's

1865
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:48,659
that same mechanism that allows for

1866
01:27:53,929 --> 01:27:51,510
ghosts and Bigfoots and and you know

1867
01:27:55,639 --> 01:27:53,939
chupacabras and anything that you want

1868
01:27:58,639 --> 01:27:55,649
to consider to be paranormal I think

1869
01:28:00,259 --> 01:27:58,649
it's very similar to those types of time

1870
01:28:02,029 --> 01:28:00,269
slips where people are having

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experiences where they seem to travel

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outside of their own reality and time mm

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mm mm Eric well here's another

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possibility that I've written about a

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:14,820
bit on that blog and that's that these

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are again kind of precognition sort of

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mists recognized as something else

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because one thing that's that people

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kind of overlook with time flips slip

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experiences is what happens after the

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time slip and how does the person find

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out what it was that they were seeing

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and there when you sort of zoom in on it

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01:28:44,739 --> 01:28:40,169
that way sure look forensically again at

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these experiences you in many cases find

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sort of the same thing that I was

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describing earlier with JW Dunn's

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precognitive dreams that you find that

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the time slip

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as described by the experience or

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matches something that they learned or

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something specific about the way they

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01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,810
learned about the historic event that

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they thought they were seeing directly

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in the past so here's here's an example

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actually that I've written about on my

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01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:14,619
blog this was in the 1950s I believe in

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a village in Scotland called Dunnigan

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and a woman was walking home her car had

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a actually run off the road he was kind

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of in a light snow storm she was driving

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home from a neighboring village one

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01:29:35,069 --> 01:29:32,440
night after a cocktail party and so she

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01:29:38,250 --> 01:29:35,079
had to walk several miles to get to her

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home at the in this village and on her

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01:29:43,709 --> 01:29:40,570
way home she saw like all these torches

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is the line of torches of people that

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looked like and they look like ancient

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soldiers and that they looked like they

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were like looking for their dead and she

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how this is weird vision she had well

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she knew that that the village that this

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the hill near her village was the

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historically the site of a very famous

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battle that occurred in the 6th century

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called the Battle of neck Tain's mirror

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it was between the Picts and Scotland

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and the the the northumbrian who were

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pursuing them and the pic sort of

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outwitted them and defeated these

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Northumbrian and so she you know she

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kind of imagined that she was seeing

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these Pictish soldiers looking for their

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dead at the in the aftermath of this

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battle that happened you know a sense

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there you know a millennium and a half

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in the past well it turned out that like

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one of the details of what she saw

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matched something that an archaeologist

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had written in an article that she

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subsequently read when she was like

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reading trying to read about this this

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vision that she had it was sort of

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delving into the history of the Battle

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of nekton smear and like she saw like

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soldiers like taking this weird

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roundabout path through this field well

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01:31:07,229 --> 01:31:04,929
it turned out this this archaeologists

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01:31:08,450 --> 01:31:07,239
had traced the outlines of this ancient

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01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:08,460
lake that

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existed at the time of the battle and

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that and so the soldiers would have had

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to like take this circuitous path that

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she'd observed in her vision so that

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kind of led people to believe

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oh this was an authentic vision of this

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battle but the interesting thing is

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subsequently historians decided that

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this village wasn't actually the site of

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that battle at all the battle had

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occurred at this other location in

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Scotland and so it's no longer believed

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to have been the site of that battle so

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if that was determined you know after

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she died after this woman died so so it

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01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:48,750
seems like she was having a vision you

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know of things that she was going to

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learn in the course of trying to

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investigate her vision and this is why I

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call my book time loops because it's

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about these kind of looping structures

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you know you you there's a way in which

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you know you have a vision or you have a

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dream and then your actions as a result

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of that contribute to the the thing that

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you wind up seeing I mean you you you

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there there it's a looping structure

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it's not just a one-way influence of the

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future on the past I mean you're also

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fulfilling it in a way this is why I say

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all all prophecies are self fulfilling

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and and this this same structure can be

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seen another time we are so I'm sorry

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another time slip phenomena as well so

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it's this is another way of looking at

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it that it's it's potentially just a

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01:32:49,070 --> 01:32:45,750
kind of precognition of again a future

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learning experience hmm fascinating well

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gentlemen unfortunately we only have

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about three minutes left in the program

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so I want to give you both a chance to

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let our audience know where they can

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01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:01,040
find out more about you you know your

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01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:04,380
sites online where they can find your

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01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:07,380
books and maybe any upcoming events that

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01:33:13,190 --> 01:33:09,930
you may be participating in so Larry

1987
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:13,200
let's start with you so you can always

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01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:16,020
keep up with everything that I've got

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01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:17,489
going on on my website which is

1990
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I am calm I've got my events listed

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there the various places that I'm

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speaking et cetera my next event that I

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will be speaking at is in Jefferson

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Texas the first weekend in November it's

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a big paranormal conference called

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history haunts and legends and then

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after that I've got several things

1998
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coming up in Eureka Springs Arkansas and

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who knows where else and what's your

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what's your current book my most recent

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01:34:02,540 --> 01:33:59,070
book yes so the most recent book is

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01:34:04,819 --> 01:34:02,550
actually one that we have it's being

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01:34:06,979 --> 01:34:04,829
done as a rerelease and it's 11:11 the

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time prompt phenomena also we've had to

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01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:09,389
go through and and the publishers asked

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01:34:16,129 --> 01:34:12,710
us to basically update it for a 20-18

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01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:16,139
edition so so it's kind of a it's a

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01:34:23,540 --> 01:34:20,159
rerelease of of that that book but

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01:34:25,939 --> 01:34:23,550
beyond that the most I guess the most

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01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:25,949
recent book that that I've written after

2011
01:34:31,939 --> 01:34:29,489
that would be my book my book called

2012
01:34:33,589 --> 01:34:31,949
mine wars which well actually no that's

2013
01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:33,599
not even true that mine wars is my

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01:34:39,379 --> 01:34:37,860
second to latest I wrote a book I guess

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back gosh

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September or so of last year that would

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probably have been my last one that was

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the demon in mythology book okay Erika

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did you re I really do so Eric

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time loops time you yeah and it's

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01:35:02,930 --> 01:34:58,469
available you know Amazon Barnes & Noble

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01:35:06,020 --> 01:35:02,940
anywhere online and my night my website

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01:35:07,729 --> 01:35:06,030
is the nightshirt com all one word it's

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01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:07,739
and I write about this stuff all the

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01:35:10,399 --> 01:35:08,270
time

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alright well thank you very much Erica

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or go and Larry Flaxman thank you very

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01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:17,969
much for being on exploring the bizarre

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tune in next week for another

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fascinating program thanks for listening

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